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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: Pakistani Muslim In Seattle Attacks Jewish Center - Shoots 6
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<b>Excerpt:</b> ... they overheard him saying "'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire on everyone.
Incidents like this more than beg the question; rather, these incidents demand that we answer them.
Is Islam capable of reforming itself so its' members can live at peace with others?
Should we, as a free nation, allow Islam to exist within our borders as a religion that is hell-bent on murdering Jews, Christians, and anyone else who rejects their religion?
Should we, as a free nation, allow Muslims to immigrate to this nation, knowing they will be bringing along the baggage of hate and murder towards Jews, Christians, etc.?
Should we allow Muslims to continue to live here if their intent is to bring terrorism to our streets?
Is there a limit to the tolerance we have known and enjoyed in this country?
Why should the government of the United States allow Muslims to live here at all if they cannot refrain from carrying out the murderous demands of the Koran and their Mullahs?
Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 7039 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject:
First thing we have to do is to come face-to-face with the real problem. The Muslims (mostly Fundamentalists) are not killing us, because we happen to be Christians or Jews. That idea is pure propaganda, designed to cloak the real problem.
The real problem is the Israeli occupation of Palestine. The Muslims want Palestine returned to the Islam.
Now, the random killings around the world occur because the Fundamentalists envision the world as a huge, Jewish (Israeli)-orchestrated, economic entity. The Fundamentalists attack that entity, because they perceive it as the prime mover behind the sustained Israeli presence in Palestine.
Our Middle East problems are not really religious in nature. We get hoodwinked by the Western media's concentration on the misinterpreted messages of the Koran, as employed by the Fundamentalist Islamics.
Getting back to Israeli occupation of Palestine, the Fundamentalists hate British & Americans, because we created the Israeli nation in Palestine and continue to support it in every manner imaginable. Clearly, our powerful and influential Jewish community in the USA goes a long way in this support.
Try to think of the fiasco in the Middle East as an economic & property phenomenon, and the solution may be closer at hand than we believe.
SEATTLE (July 30) - The suspect in a fatal shooting rampage at a Jewish charity deeply disappointed his parents because he had dropped out of dentistry school, and had been getting psychiatric help for 10 years, a family friend and his lawyer said.
Naveed Haq, 30, was a bright student who moved to the East Coast to study dentistry after graduating from high school in 1994, said Muhammad Ullah, a close friend of the suspect's family.
But he dropped out after just a few years, frustrating his accomplished parents and straining their relationship.
"They had expressed to me their concern and unhappiness: 'He can't decide what he wants to do with his life,'" said Ullah, a senior member of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities. "He had grown distant from his family since he didn't finish school."
Haq was ordered held on $50 million bail Saturday pending formal charges of murder and attempted murder. Prosecutors have until Wednesday to file formal charges.
He is accused of opening fire with two semiautomatic pistols at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle on Friday, killing Pamela Waechter, 58, and wounding five other women, one of whom is five months pregnant.
Haq, a U.S.-born Muslim, told authorities he was angered by the war in Iraq and U.S. military cooperation with Israel. According to a statement of probable cause, Haq told a 911 dispatcher: "These are Jews and I'm tired of getting pushed around and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East."
Authorities said they believed Haq was acting on his own, and there was no evidence of a broad conspiracy.
Haq's family was well-known in the local Muslim community, where his father, Mian, an engineer, was a founding member of the Islamic Center in this south-central Washington town.
Haq, whose parents had moved to the United States from Pakistan in the 1970s, excelled in writing, winning an essay contest as a teenager, Ullah said. He eventually completed an engineering degree at Washington State University.
Then in March, Haq was arrested at a Benton County stopping mall. Newspaper reports said that he climbed onto a raised coin fountain and exposed himself to young women.
Larry Stephenson, a Kennewick lawyer who is representing Haq on the lewd conduct charge, told The Seattle Times that Haq has been getting psychiatric help for about 10 years.
"He's had real difficulty," he said, adding that he thought Haq was single and unemployed.
Ullah told The Times that the parents were "desperately trying to help their son," who was on medication.
Haq had asked Ullah to bail him out of jail after being arrested at the shopping mall.
"He was too embarrassed to call his parents. He was in enough trouble with them already," Ullah said. "Because we were the closest friends to the family, he probably sensed he could trust me."
Ullah ended up calling Haq's parents, who picked up their son and drove him home. Ullah did not see Haq again until he attended Friday prayers at the mosque two weeks ago, largely keeping to himself.
"I shook hands, and he walked away," Ullah said. "He didn't seem to be the one I know of, but I didn't really pay much attention because I was busy with other things."
Haq's parents are devastated and struggling to understand how their son strayed from the teachings of Islam, Ullah said.
No one answered the door at the Haq residence north of Pasco, where Haq's parents moved in the past few years after raising their two sons in nearby Richland.
"We feel bad for his parents — good parents, good people," Ullah said. "Today, this is a totally sad day for our community."
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