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August 10, 2008
Why Did Obama Vacation To Hawaii - And Especially, Why Now? (Update: Is the mystery about to be solved?)
Topics: Political News and commentariesLate Update at bottom of post ....
I share this poster's interest.
Apparently others do also. Has the messiah been hiding his Indonesian identity and citizenship? TexasDarlin believes so as she notes in her 8/10/08 10:20 AM ET Update: Barry Soetoro's Birth Certificate in Republican Hands:
For those who have not followed this story, Soetoro is the name on Obama's Birth Certificate (BC) because a new BC was issued when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his step-father. His original BC, which we assume was issued for Barack Hussein Obama at birth, would have been sealed at that time.It's beginning to look as though the mainstream media may have once again "been caught with its pants down" (chuckle, chuckle - think Edwards, chuckle, chuckle) - lying by omission and ignoring the truth to save a Democratic politician from disgrace.We assert that Barry Soetoro acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it. Barack Obama possibly changed his legal name back to Barack Hussein Obama as an older child, teenager, or adult, possibly never did -- but even if he did, this procedure would not result in a change to the BC.
The Birth Certificate published by Obama on his campaign website (still there, by the way) and distributed to the media was forged because the real BC on file is in the name Soetoro, an identity he apparently wanted to hide from the American people.
I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in '81 with an Indonesian passport.
These revelations raise several troubling issues for Obama's electability and eligibility. Foremost, there is the concerted attempt to conceal his background and dual citizenship/identity from the electorate. Secondly, there is a potential Constitutional problem with a POTUS having held dual citizenship; Article II of the constitution requires the POTUS and Commander-in-Chief to have only ONE loyalty to country, and that must be to the US.
Related:
Release the Birth Certificate! Tracking Obama In Indonesia & Kenya.
Telegraph.co.uk - BARACK OBAMA's background as a Muslim ("The American people need to be asking Barack Obama a whole different list of questions when they attend his political rallies on his quest to become the leader of the free world. They need to ask the man who he really is because, up to this point on the campaign trail, he has lied to them. The American people need to find an honest candidate. Barack Obama is not that man.")
UPDATE: ANTI-OBAMA BLOG SHUT DOWN (Texasdarlin, who, along with Atlas Shrugs has been been among those at the forefront on exposing the forgery of Obama's certificate of live birth, has been suspended. Is this the work of pro-Obama Googe or pro-Obama hackers?). Of course the site could be down for technical reasons, also. We'll know soon.
Later update: Texasdarlin is back up and with a new post: Obama's Dual Citizenship Disaster: an Overview (... many people are still confused about the implications of dual citizenship for Obama. ... The matter is somewhat complex, so I've decided to try to provide a summary, with the help of resident expert "Judah Benjamin.")
Posted by Richard at August 10, 2008 1:35 PM
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Comments
Richard:
According to your post, Barry Soetoro would be a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia (ROI). Whether or not Barry has a COLB in Honolulu becomes moot, because ROI does not allow dual citizenship. Barry would have renounced his US citizenship ... unless, since born a US citizen (alleged), at age 18, he chose to remain an US citizen. However, Barry would have needed to document that choice! Without that documentation, Barry would be a citizen of the ROI.
Perhaps, Barry's trip to Hawaii is to fabricate the re-institution of American citizenship documentation ... and back-date it!
Nonetheless, by renouncing US citizenship, a cloud forms over his prerequisite citizenship-requirement to run for POTUS.
I concur with your appraisal: Barry's integrity has been shattered!
With Aloha,
Posted by: harry at August 10, 2008 5:10 PM
Richard:
As a caution, I noted that Mainlanders (possibly islanders) have been researching in Honolulu. The plagues identified in my Akaka Bill thread are not fantasy. These researchers should maintain a low profile, and their blogmasters should conceal their identities. Malicious people in Honolulu have nothing better to do than to set them up: plant drugs on them, slander their reputations and careers, etc. Law enforcement in Honolulu will not come to their aid.
Please convey to your blogmaster associates my cautions. These researchers are not amongst friends in Honolulu.
With Aloha,
Posted by: harry at August 10, 2008 6:25 PM
Harry, your comments will get passed along.
Although I still have a few ingering doubts about the wannabe messiah's COLB becoming a real issue in the campaign, for it seems nuts that if it is really a fake that the DOJ didn't find it out and surely the MSM will do everything they can to bury it if it is a fake, my doubts are beginning to dissipate.
And indeed a cloud is beginning to form over his prerequisite citizenship-requirement to run for POTUS.
Posted by: Richard at August 10, 2008 7:36 PM
Richard:
Truly, the USDJ should be onto this matter. However, from four+ years of interface with the USDJ on criminal matters here in Honolulu, I would conclude that the USDJ is too overrated. They may be in the finger-pointing mode as to whom is responsible for ensuring that Barry's candidacy for POTUS meets requirements.
Second, as the Akaka Bill thread exposes, political interference sways the USDJ. It could be the case that Barry's candidacy for POTUS is known to be flawed, and, as I commented to Abdul, certain persons are waiting the appropriate moment to thrust the coup de grace.
To me, two opportunities await. First, at the DNC, the Clinton camp can expose the flaw and demand the nomination. Second, once Barry wins the presidency, certain Democrats could confront Barry (if they already have not) and extort him for personal benefits or demand his resignation, allowing his VP to assume cabinet selection. Essentially, certain Democrats would acquire the leadership in the Executive Branch without the scrutiny of an election.
The fact that John McCain has not acted upon this information merely exhibits his sense of integrity. John McCain's camp may have discreetly informed Barry that his gig was up. Barry's Hawaii vacation might be a cooling off period in order to regain his composure and prepare a rebuttal (if necessary).
To me, residing in Hawaii and knowing the tactics of US Senator Inouye & his gang, extortion awaits Barry Soetoto ... like sign the Akaka Bill or else!
With Aloha,
Posted by: harry at August 10, 2008 9:40 PM
Harry makes some good points, but in my gut I just can't help but think that Bill and Hillary have a plan ....
Posted by: Richard at August 10, 2008 11:00 PM
Richard:
I believe that John McCain and the Republican Party comprehend this COLB and Dual Nationality issue with Barry Soetoro:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
Excerpt:
John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the presumptive Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[5] federal law states that "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States".[6] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born -- albeit with retrospective effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen from birth.[7]
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The Internet is truly an amazing resource! John McCain would be well-versed in Barry's problem! The next few months should be interesting!
With Aloha,
Posted by: harry at August 11, 2008 5:56 AM
Who can forget how the NYT made a big issue out of McCain's citizenship, trying to say that he wasn't an American citizen because of the Canal Zone thing.
But when it comes to a Democrat, zzzzzzzzzzzzz....
Posted by: Mike in Iraq at August 11, 2008 6:53 AM
Mike:
Actually, I was unaware of the NYT article. The NYT article could act as a confirmation that the Democratic National Party knows that Barry Soetoro has a citizenship problem.
In litigation, when your pleading contains a damaging flaw, a common legal tactic is to accuse your opposition of the same flaw, first. The belief is that your opposition will expends so much effort deending themselves that it will either redirect their attention away from your flaw or, at least, mitigate it.
They know!
Second, the NYT, if my memory serves me well, resides in the Clinton camp. If my memory is correct, then Richard's gut-feeling about a Clinton plan may become a harbinger of the coup de grace to come.
With Aloha,
Posted by: harry at August 11, 2008 11:54 AM
To all:
Updata 11 August 2008:
One of the news channel covering the Beijing Olympics (CNBC, I believe) just broke that the Clinton camp will address Barack Obama's question of citizenship at the DNC! The news clip just mentioned that Obama might not be a US citizen!
Bravo to the Hyscience researchers!
With Aloha,
Posted by: harry at August 11, 2008 7:03 PM
Harry, we'd love to take the credit but all the research came from the folks at Atlas Shrugs, TexasDarlin, TechDude, etc...
I'm still a bit skeptical like Richard and Abdul have also said, but if you heard it Obama's and Axelrod's great con job on America could possibly be coming to an end.
Posted by: Mike in Iraq at August 11, 2008 11:45 PM
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