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October 11, 2007
Come Into My Parlor Said The Spider To The Fly (Updated)
Topics: Understanding IslamThe title here conveys my first thought when I read this Fox News piece, "Muslims Leaders Warn Pope 'Survival of World' at Stake."
Interestingly, the key qualifier is, "As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes."
Now, where in the hell, today, are Christians waging war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppressing them and driving them out of their homes? Nowhere!
Suppose you ask yourself where are Muslims waging war against Christians on account of their religion, oppressing them, and driving them from their homes. The answer to this latter question is of course - everywhere on the planet.
So why this ridiculously obvious ruse proposing interfaith dialogue and touchy feelyness?
Sounds an awful like we're seeing a hudna at work here. According to Islamic law, a hudna can only be agreed to in order to allow the Muslim forces to gather strength.
While the media and some political leaders portray a hudna as a truce or a cease-fire designed to bring peace, a hudna actually refers to a temporary cession of hostilities in order to regroup and to trick an enemy into lowering its guard.
When the hudna expires, the party that declared it is stronger and the enemy weaker. The term comes from the story of the Muslim conquest of Mecca. Instead of a rapid victory, Muhammad made a ten-year treaty with the Kuraysh tribe. In 628 AD, after only two years of the ten-year treaty, Muhammad and his forces concluded that the Kuraysh were too weak to resist. The Muslims broke the treaty and took over all of Mecca without opposition (Palestine Chronicle, July 6, 2003; Embassy of Israel [USA], June 27, 2003).Lets make it clear here, I'm very much into interfaith dialogue, but I'm very much against sucker punches. However well meaning our touchy feely friends are about interfaith dialogue, when we've got Islamic terrorists running all around the world threatening and murdering anyone and everyone that disagrees with them, its kinda hard to take this Kumbaya stuff seriously or, even if all of the Muslim letter signers are sincere and have no hudna, kitman, or taqiyya in mind, believe for a nanosecond that Muslim extremists are going to give a Tinker's damn about Christian-Muslim interfaith dialogue.A modern-day hudna is not a form of compromise, rather it is a tactical tool to gain a military advantage. Hamas has used it no fewer than 10 times in 10 years (Washington Institute for Near East Policy, (June 2, 2003).
And while we're on the topic of all the Muslim signers being sincere and not having a hudna, kitman, or al-taqiyya in mind, today's trivia question is:
Who said, "Six million Jews dead? No way, they were much fewer. Let?s stop with this fairytale exploited by Israel to capture international solidarity.Answer: Shaykh Dr Ikrima Said Sabri, one of the signers to the letter to the Pope suggesting a big Christian-Muslim Kumbaya (La Republicca, 24 March 2000)
Like I said, "Come into my parlor said the spider to the fly."
Update: From Robert Spencer comes an additional perspective:
You can find a pdf of the letter from the Muslim scholars here. My immediate impression is that while saying it wants to build on common ground, the letter (amid copious Qur'an quotes) never mentions Qur'an 5:17, which says that those who believe in the divinity of Christ are unbelievers, or 4:171, which says that Jesus was not crucified, or 9:30, which says that those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God are accursed, or 9:29, which mandates warfare against and the subjugation of Jews and Christians. It would seem to me that verses like these would need to be addressed in some way, even if only to give them some benign interprethttp://www.hyscience.com/mt/mt.cgi?__mode=view&_type=entry&id=9440&blog_id=2Also via Robert Spencer, the first reaction to the letter, from the Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, a leading Anglican expert on Islam, appeared to be critical, and for good reason:
Come Into My Parlor Said The Spider To The Fly (Updated) | Entries | Hyscience | Movable Type Publishing Platformation, if there is to be any true and honest dialogue.
Dr Nazir-Ali, who was born in Pakistan, welcomed the Muslim scholars' deisire for a dialogue, but said that the appeal was based on the Muslim belief in the oneness of God.Dr Nazir-Ali appears to think the letter is a lotta spider-speak too."What I would say to that is that Christians uphold belief in one God vigorously but our understanding of the oneness of God is not the Muslim understanding," he told The Times. "We believe in God as source from whom everything is brought into being. Jesus is God's word and presence for us but is also human."
He added: "One partner cannot dictate the terms on which dialogue must be conducted. This document seems to be on the verge of doing that."...
Then, as always, there's this Islamo ass kissing headline from the politically-correct, Islamofascist apologists at BBCNews: "Muslim scholars reach out to Pope." So, according to BBCNews the Muslim scholars are "reaching out" to the Pope. Yeah, right - as in heres a poison apple, and we'll go get you another one!
Posted by Abdul at October 11, 2007 12:28 PM
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