May 8, 2007
Six 'Islamic Radicals' Arrested In Terror Plot Against N.J. Soldiers (Updated)Topics: Terrorism
Updates and link to Dept. of Justice complaint at bottom of post.
Via Newschannel 4 NY, six men from New Jersey believed to be Islamic radicals have been arrested in one of an "alleged" (MSM PC-speak for the Islamothugs have been caught red handed) terror plot against soldiers at Fort Dix.
Investigators said the men planned to use automatic weapons to enter Fort Dix and kill as many soldiers as they could at the N.J. base. Fort Dix was just one of several military and security locations allegedly scouted by this group, authorities said.Not quite "home grown" terrorists, nonetheless, terrorists in our midst!
Investigators told Newschannel 4's Jonathan Dienst that these arrests are the result of a tip to the FBI and use of an informant to track the suspects. The terror suspects traveled over the last several months from New Jersey to the Poconos where they practiced firing automatic weapons, investigators said.
Investigators said the group discussed targeting numerous locations like Dover Air base, Fort Monmouth and several Coast Guard stations before deciding on Fort Dix as their intended target. Fort Dix is run in part by the Army and is a reserve-training center, but active units take part in training, including some which focuses on counter-terrorism.
It is not clear how far along the alleged terror plot was, or when investigators first learned about it. Investigators said the group of suspects have been discussing and planning for much of the last year. They allegedly pooled their savings to pay for the operation that investigators said targeted soldiers stationed here at home.
The six suspects arrested Monday night will face terror conspiracy charges. Three of the men are brothers, all believed to be islamic radicals. Authorities have told Newschannel 4 that some of the men were born in Albania and the former Yugoslavia. Investigators said most of the suspects have spent several years here in the U.S.
In update, NBC10 reports that five of them were arrested in Cherry Hill, and that the men planned to use AK-47s to storm Fort Dix and open fire on soldiers and civilians stationed at the New Jersey base, noting that other military locations were scouted by the terrorist cell. Some of the suspects are said to have reviewed training films from Afghanistan that "allegedly" showed them how to carry out terror attacks.
Update 2 via CNN:
The men, some of whom were related to each other, had been doing surveillance and planning "for a while," and they trained in the Poconos Mountains in northeastern Pennsylvania, according to the federal law enforcement source.Fortunately for the soldiers and civilians at Fort Dix, these Islamothugs are almost like the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
They played paintball and test-fired weapons, a law enforcement source said.
New Jersey state troopers and the FBI were involved in investigating and arresting the suspects. An informant played a key role in the investigation, the sources said.
One of the sources said there is a video and an audiotape of the planning.
The Newark Star-Ledger reported on its Web site that the men took a videotape of their practice sessions to a store to have it burned to a DVD, and that a store employee contacted the FBI because of the video's contents.
Post press conference update: After just now listening to the press conference on CNN, and reading the "Justice Department Complaint in Alleged Fort Dix Terror Plot," it is very apparent that, as I said in the below comment section, these Islamothugs have been caught 25 different ways from Sunday. The investigation has been going on for almost 2 years!
Officials identified the men as Dritan Duka, 28, Eljvir Duka, 23, Shain Duka, 26, Serdar Tatar, 23, Mohamad Shnewer, 22, and Agron Abdullahu, 24. They are described as being in their early 20s.
The six had been under FBI surveillance for 15 months and prepared for their alleged plot by shooting paintball guns and real weapons in Gouldsboro, Pa., 30 miles southeast of Scranton, officials said. One had experience as a sniper in Kosovo, according to the complaint.
The men also allegedly watched jihadist videos in which Osama bin Laden urged them toward martyrdom.
"They were prepared to die," said a law enforcement source who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the arrests. "We became increasingly convinced this was for real and these guys were ready to roll."
The men had scouted out Fort Monmouth, Dover Air Force Base, Lakehurst Naval Air Station and the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard before settling on Fort Dix, a base that is used to mobilize troops to Iraq, according to the complaint. One of them, Tatar, had regular access to secure areas of the facility through his job as a deliveryman and knew "it like the palm of his hand," according to the complaint. (Edit: Delivering pizza from his family's business)
The men - several of whom are relatives - had videotaped their practice sessions in Pennsylvania, according to the complaint. That videotape, in which they fired assault weapons and railed against America, led to their arrests.
They made the mistake of bringing it to a retail store, seeking to get a copy burned to a DVD, according to the complaint. A store employee who later watched the tape called the FBI who began immediately investigating.
... As they allegedly prepared for the attack, the men watched videos depicting armed assaults of U.S. military personnel at an undisclosed location, according to the complaint, which cited a federal witness who infiltrated the group.
The witness noted that Shnewer "seemed to enjoy watching the videos and smiled during the viewing." Files in his computer contained what appear to be the last will and testament of two hijackers involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, officials said.
... A high school friend of Eljir and Shain Duka recalled them as typical teenagers. More to come ...
Posted by Richard at May 8, 2007 7:14 AM
"alleged" isn't "MSM PC-speak". It means that authorities are asserting that these men have committed a crime, but they haven't proved it yet in a court of law.
Here's a topical example you might have heard of: A North Carolina DA "alleged" that members of the Duke lacrosse team sexually assaulted an exotic dancer. It turns out they didn't.
Having said that, if what authorities are "alleging" here is true, kudos to the store owner and the officers for stopping these clowns before they did any damage.
Posted by: Colin at May 8, 2007 10:47 AM
"Not quite "home grown" terrorists, nonetheless, terrorists in our midst!"
Oh, goody, goody! Isn't that great? It's just wonderful. See, this obviously means that Bush isn't a petulant, babbling imbecile presiding over the most loathsome collection of human garbage ever to set foot in Washington. And it means that it was obviously a great idea to launch a war against a country that didn't have a damn thing to do with anti-American terrorists, and flush the lives of a few thousand American troops down the toilet. And now even the French are our friends. They like us! They really, really like us!! Now we don't even have to call potatoes Freedom Fries anymore.
Oh, if they could just discover terrorists in our midst every single day, what a happy, shiny place the world would be.
Posted by: legaleagle at May 8, 2007 12:39 PM
At least for the time being, our justice system still operates under the principle of "innocent until proven guilty." Hence the "alleged" label for these clowns.
It's also worth noting that this case was cracked by good old-fashioned investigative police work, not warrantless surveillance or confessions coerced through torture.
Posted by: RosieTheRiveter at May 8, 2007 1:44 PM
These guys would not qualify for the "most brilliant" assassins. Attacking a miltary base is perhaps not the most well-thought-out of plans.
Posted by: ZZMike at May 8, 2007 2:29 PM
Legal Eagle, you win the waaaaay-toooo-much Kool-Aid Award for the day. And as for whatever you've been 'smokin' - I definitely don't want any.
Nevertheless, thanks for the entertainment.
Posted by: Abdul at May 8, 2007 3:21 PM
Colin, lighten up. Have a Guiness on me. The "MSM-speak" comment was my humble way of being facetious - obviously in this case - maybe too much so. These Islamoclowns were caught 25 different ways from Sunday, and the MSM's use of "alleged" in their case is being more than magnanimous and cautious.
As for you're comment about the store owner, you're right on target. God knows what terrorism these nuts would have unleashed had a sharp store owner not alerted the authorities.
Posted by: Richard at May 8, 2007 3:31 PM
ZZMike's comment suggesting that our "not-yet-ready for prime time" terrorists are less than brilliant, is perhaps a major understatement. Our Islamoclowns would do better writing SNL skits.
Posted by: Richard at May 8, 2007 3:36 PM
Considering my changing hormone levels, my angst ridden psyche and my prevalence to weep when Ol' Yeller dies, the present conditions of our country and this "administration" is a bit hard to take. Poignant, perhaps a little on the Dada side, but as hard to take as David Lee Roth. "Name yer' poison," Saggy Madge with the greasy hairnet would say in the high school cafeteria, holding a menacing ladle full of steaming, heaping, gelatinous goo just over my plate, "it's Friday, it's frog testicles with allowable levels of moose lips as carefully prescribed by our Federal government, don't know if that's meat nor fish." She thought amphibian was some sort of religious affiliation. "Me? Proud to be a Protestant ponce," she'd chortle. You could just see the battered picket fence of her teeth at the corner of her tight-lipped guffaw.
Everybody's antidote will be different but serves the purpose of survival during these times when you can't tell the AC's from the DC's. I spent the weekend upon the arboreal dell, swigging a virtual river of beer, draped 'cross my dear old senile grandma's paisley shawl, as I lustfully took in the sights and smells of yon Sherwood forest, not disturbed ye was by nary a soul. You poor yobs in the capitol might have had cold and snow, but I had raisinettes!
Yep, it's a scary ride ran by ex-cons and the kind of degraded human refuse your well intentioned mother warned you about when she wasn't passed out on the couch. Projectile vomitus on the Corkscrew ride? Cotton candy congestion in the nasal passages? Got stuck up by cardboard train robbers? Did that old sodbuster sitting in the outhouse engage you in conversation while he 'pinched a loaf?' Did you happen to try some of Cordelia Knott's salmonella chicken, er, excuse me, rainbow chicken? My words may not have the right amount of iron in them, but we must all continue to endeavor to persevere until we can chase all these spooks away.
Posted by: Carl Gordon at May 8, 2007 4:12 PM
Sadly, Carl Gordon, the "Waaaaay-toooo-much Kool-Aid Award" for the day has already been given to Legal Eagle, so you'll have to try again another day.
Sorry about the paragraph edit; we allow diatribes, regardless of the content or its relevancy, but we do require that folks keep it relatively clean.
Posted by: Richard at May 8, 2007 4:37 PM
a) None of the terrorists seem to be from Iraq;
b) all of them seem to have been here legally; and
c) they were caught by ordinary law-enforcement methods requiring no torture, illegal warrantless wiretaps, or even a minor violation of civil rights.
Gee, it's almost like we can fight terrorism without invading and occupying Iraq or violating our own basic principles of freedom and liberty.
Posted by: jim at May 8, 2007 5:43 PM
Jim's apparently jumped to his own conclusions. At least 3 of the 6 are here illegally. And although the terrorists are from Albania, not Iraq, they watched instructions for training and carrying out jihad on videos most likely made in Syria, Iraq, and /or Afghanistan. There "home-growness" is characteristic of the tactics descibed by Abu Mus'ab al-Suri's doctrines for decentralized jihadi training.
As for the law enforcement methods used against the "NJ-6" having anything whatsoever to lessening the need to fight terrorism at the source of its base - Iraq and Afghanistan, apparently you've never been to Iraq and haven't a clue as to what is and has been going on there.
As for your comments regarding "torture, illegal warrant-less wiretaps, or even a minor violation of civil rights," I'll bite my tongue here and only say that you've mistakenly applied your politics and personal beliefs in an area that you obviously know very little about. Again, you've quite obviously never been to the Middle East and never been in the s**t for real. In the case of the NJ-6, again, in this particular case, you're correct. But sadly, as with the case of many naive' people in the U.S., you are unaware of how many lives are actually saved in Iraq by Iraqis getting information from Iraqis.
I do know of what I speak. I may have been educated in the U.S., but my home is ........
BTW Jim - you should read the FBI Affidavit that was filed in court today. It's linked in the above post. You'll feel much more enlightened, and you'll be better informed.
Posted by: Abdul at May 8, 2007 6:13 PM
I stand corrected on point 'b'. 3 of the 6 are here illegally.
I stand confirmed on points 'a' and 'c'. Thank you for confirming that I'm right.
Also, Abdul, wherever it is you claim to be from, you should be aware that experts who actually know things about interrogation **don't believe in the use of torture**. Not only does it happen to be immoral and tarnishes our honor as a nation - things which apparently doesn't bother you - it also is *simply unreliable*.
Remember all those witches "caught" in Salem via torture-induced confessions? That's what I'm talking about.
This is due to the not-surprising fact that reality is actually not like "24". In reality, people will do anything to stop pain, INCLUDING LIE. Which includes implications of others who are already suspected, who then will further lie if they are captured and tortured. Meanwhile real people continue to commit crimes against humanity unabated, while we chase shadows because we won't face the fact that torture doesn't work.
"S**t being for real" in the Middle East means needing accurate information, AND needing the cooperation of locals. Torturing people just to see what they say without due process, means terrible information AND losing local cooperation.
That's reality. Face it. Because it stays the same whether you like it or not.
As for Iraq being the base of terrorism - which fictional show are you watching? Because in reality, the base of Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan, and it's funding and most of it's recruits came from Saudi Arabia. Other areas include Jordan and Egypt. And currently Bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan. Have you been to any of those places? I hope you have. That should make it easier for you to remember that they supported the terrorists and Bin Laden specifically - AND NOT IRAQ.
Got that? Not Iraq. At all.
Prove me wrong and show me one single way in which Iraq supported Al Qaeda or Bin Laden more than Saudi Arabia.
Remember Bin Laden? The guy who killed 3,000+ innocent US civilians? He got free.
Posted by: jim at May 8, 2007 7:44 PM
These men can't possibly be Islamic terrorists.
We're fighting them in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here, and it's working. Ergo there are no Islamic terrorists here.
Posted by: Derek at May 9, 2007 1:39 AM
I can see that Derek has been too heavy into the Kool-Aid, and has apparently missed the point about Iraq being the central front on the war against Islamic terrorism. Denying the head of the snake a safe haven from which to operate is one thing, but to confuse the main threat with spin-off jihadis is quite another. Our friend Derek shares a misconception with so many others on the Left that haven't a clue as to what the U.S. and the West is facing.
al-Qaeda is an ideology, it has no borders, but unless the head of the snake is destroyed, you can bet your a** the main body will indeed follow the troops home - just like bin-Laden said they would.
Surrender monkeys are going to get themselves and the rest of killed - dead, unless they wake up to the realities of what is really going on.
Posted by: Abdul at May 9, 2007 8:26 AM
And who's the head of the snake that is Al Qaeda? Well, it appears to be Bin Laden.
And where is the one place that Bin Laden has not been? Iraq.
Meanwhile, all reports from nonpartisan experts, including military experts, indicate that our presence in Iraq is *helping* Al Qaeda, not hurting it. And that our presence in Iraq is *creating MORE terrorists than we kill there.
That is the reality of what's really going on, Abdul.
Posted by: jim at May 9, 2007 2:09 PM
Jim just doesn't get it. No use trying to educate the uneducatable. In time, unfortunately, he'll learn. Hopefully not the hard way.
I wash my hands of him. Better to converse with desert sand, than than try to show a blind man a mountain he cannot see.
Posted by: Abdul at May 9, 2007 3:03 PM
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