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November 13, 2006

China Sub Secretly Stalked U.S. Fleet

Topics: International News

Can someone explain to me why Adm. William J. Fallon still has his job, and why is the U.S playing dhimmi for the Chinese war machine?

You'll find a submarine blogger's perspective on this at Michelle Malkin's site.

Posted by Mike in Iraq at November 13, 2006 04:51 AM

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Richard:

It is not uncommon for submarines to stalk battle groups. Having a diesel-powered submarine follow a battle group could hardly be referred to as stalking, if it was forced to surface to recharge its batteries within the range of the battle group. American nuclear submarines accompany US battle groups in order to detect such intruders.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780595329021&itm=8

Silent describes the anti-stalking procedure. Interestingly, the same area of the Pacific Theater is discussed.

Welcome to the undersea world of intrigue!

The advantage of diesel-powered submarines is that they are quiet and difficult to detect. .. but in no-way impossible to detect. Yet, their undersea stalking capabilities are limited by the capacity of their batteries ... at best a day or two. A nuclear-powered submarine with advanced-detection, passive sonar can remain alert, undersea and on-station for months at a time. Truly, the Chinese diesel-powered submarine would be detected long before it entered the effective striking distance of a blue-water battle group. As described in Silent, any aggressive behavior would be countered, ruthlessly.

Prudence of national security dictates silence on this topic; however, I can assure our readers that the Pacific Theater Commander knew of the presence of the Chinese diesel-powered submarine long before it surfaced five miles from our battle group. The reason why the author of the linked article can write with criticism is that the concern for national security deters response.

The humor and naivety of such an article, truly, can only be shared by American submariners.

With Aloha,

# Posted by harry at 11/13/2006 06:27 am - reply- forum

Subject: Chinese Video
To All:

http://www.seapowerambassador.org/webvideof2f5/?lk=3838045-3838045-0-24244-Bb59jAXgR8xOcjbyOx3W5ZkvCWrCUWWh

This newscast, while simulated, is steadily becoming a reality. To compound the danger to the U.S., as our naval fleet declines, so too does the U.S. shipbuilding industrial base. Low rates of naval ship procurement have lead to the closure of critical system and component businesses and the loss of thousands of highly skilled engineering and production jobs. Without the necessary skills and resources to build ships, the U.S. will not have the ability to build a Navy for its own defense.

Comment: A must see video!

With Aloha,

# Posted by harry at 11/17/2006 08:35 am - reply- forum

Subject: Some Background Insights
To All:

Despite the two foregoing commentaries, as a former lecturer in Chinese History, allow me to expose a few issues hidden in the thread's article.

First, a reader should question how it was that the author ... a journalist, I presume ... determined that the Chinese diesel-powered submarine stalked the US Battle Group by simply knowing that it surfaced five miles from the Battle Group's location. Was it simple, naive inference? Obviously, for the author of the article to possess any credibility would have had to have been privy to a report affirming the stalking encounter. Is that possible? Did the Chinese Navy inform the author that the submarine stalked the US Battle Group? I do not believe the Chinese Navy would make any such assertion. Hence, we have to conclude, if the article has any validity, that the US Navy leaked the stalking encounter to the author ... implying that the US Navy was aware of the encounter. Why? It is because a US submarine tailed ... in-his-locked & loaded-gunsights fashion ... the Chinese submarine and monitored its movements.

Second, if this is a conjectured article, the who would desire such a publication? Taiwan (Republic of China)!

Any movement toward an improvement in US-China relationship would rile Taiwan. Taiwan is a renegade province of China, created when Chaing Kai-shek (Cash My Check, affectionately) and his Kuomintang Army abandoned Mainland China fleeing the Communist under Mao Zedong. Prior to departing Mainland China, Chiang Kai-shek's boys raped and pillaged the entire seacoast of Mainland China of all its valuables. The sudden economic miracle of Taiwan's ascendency was fueled by these stolen goods. Naturally, the Taiwanese believe that Mainland China has a score to settle with them over the pillaging. Fortunately, the US backed Taiwan and stands firmly ... to date ... behind Taiwanese independence from China and advocates a peaceful solution to Chinese reunification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek

With Aloha,

# Posted by harry at 11/18/2006 09:30 am - reply- forum

Subject: Sub Collides with Super-Tanker
To All:

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/us-submarine-collides-with-japanese-ship/20070109100909990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001

U.S. Submarine Collides With Japanese Ship

AP

TOKYO (Jan. 9) - A U.S. nuclear-powered submarine collided with a Japanese oil tanker in the Straits of Hormuz, through which 40 percent of the world's oil supplies travel, officials said.

No one was hurt in the accident that happened Monday night in the 34-mile wide straits, which are bordered by Iran and Oman and serve as the entrance to the Persian Gulf.

Damage to the fast-attack USS Newport News submarine and the supertanker was light and there was no resulting spill of oil or leakage of nuclear fuel, officials from the U.S. Navy and the Japanese government said.

Both ships remained able to navigate, Navy officials said.

The bow of the submarine was traveling submerged when it hit the stern of the supertanker Mogamigawa as the vessels were passing through the Straits, causing minor damage to the Japanese vessel, the U.S. Navy and Japan's Foreign Ministry said. The Japanese government said it was informed of the crash by the Navy and the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo.

The tanker, operated by Japanese shipping company Kawasaki Kisen Kaisha Ltd., was able to continue to a nearby port in the United Arab Emirates, the statement said.

Commander Kevin Aandahl of the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet in Bahrain confirmed there had been a crash and that there were no injuries aboard either ship. Aandahl said the submarine had surfaced and its crew was evaluating damage.

The Navy said the sub's nuclear propulsion plant was undamaged. The Newport News is based in Norfolk, Va., and is part of a U.S.-led multinational task force patrolling the Persian Gulf and nearby seas. It has a crew of 127.

The Mogamigawa was traveling from the Gulf to Singapore and was carrying a crew of eight Japanese and 16 Filipinos. It is expected to arrive in the port of Khor Fakkan later Tuesday, company spokeswoman said on condition of anonymity, citing protocol.

She said crew members reported a sudden large bang and shaking just before the collision, but no other details were immediately available.

The Japanese government has asked the U.S. side to investigate. Aandahl said a Navy investigation would begin shortly.

In February 2001, a U.S. Navy submarine rammed into a Japanese fishing vessel in waters off Hawaii, killing nine people. The American captain's delay in apologizing for the crash triggered protests by the victims' families.

U.S. naval vessels have been involved in previous collisions with commercial ships in the busy shipping lanes around the Persian Gulf. In September 2005, the U.S. nuclear submarine Philadelphia collided with a Turkish cargo ship in the Gulf, causing no injuries.

In July 2004, the aircraft carrier USS John F. Kennedy collided with a dhow in the Gulf, leaving no survivors on the traditional Arab sailing boat. The Navy relieved the Kennedy's commander, Capt. Stephen B. Squires, after the incident.

Fleets of U.S. and allied navy vessels patrol the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea and western Indian Ocean, attempting to block smuggling of weapons to Iraq and Somalia, nuclear components to Iran, as well as the movement of drug shipments and terrorists.

U.S. and coalition ships started patrolling the coast of Somalia in recent weeks in a bid to capture any al-Qaida suspects fleeing Ethiopia's December invasion.

Comment: For reference on nuclear submarine maneuvers in the Straits of Hormuz:

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Justice-Hawk/dp/0595329020/sr=1-7/qid=1168366127/ref=sr_1_7/103-3889315-1965431?ie=UTF8&s=books

"Silent" by Justice Hawk captures the life of American submariners and their lives in a very special way. It gives you valuable insight as to what they do and how critical and vital their mission is to the United States of America. As someone who has been involved in the United States submarine program for over 38 years, I can tell you that it captures the essence of the "Silent Service" and truly exemplifies what a very unique branch of the Navy that submarines are and how it all works to be a vital cog in the "wheel of defense" of this country. A very interesting read. I couldn't put it down once I started on it. Very fast paced, loaded with a lot of very interesting facts and experiences from the first hand perspective of the author.

This collision with a super-tanker was an rendezvous in the maming!

With Aloha,

# Posted by harry at 01/09/2007 01:11 pm - reply- forum

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