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July 29, 2006

Muslim In Seattle Attacks Jewish Center - Shoots 6 Kills 1 (Homegrown terrorist?) Updated

Topics: Understanding Islam

[Bumped to top - originally posted last night]

Muslim man shoots evil Jewzzzzzz.jpg[Imaged: Medics rush an injured woman from the scene of the shooting in downtown Seattle, Friday, July 28, 2006, at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)]

Murder weapon: Appears to be 12 guage shotgun; *Shooter reportedly in possession of a copy Qu'ran; *Federal Profiler: "EXPECT MORE OF THIS..."; verified to be a man of Pakistani origin; Single shooter, Islamic Male of possible Pakistani or Lebanese origin, angry at Israel for Middle-Eastern "Crisis;" ... law enforcement sources are maintaining that HAQ was reportedly in possession of a copy of the Qu'ran and possessed Arabic language terrorist documents. (source)

A man Muslim man walked into a Jewish organization Friday afternoon and opened fire, killing one person and injuring at least five others before he was arrested.

HAQ.jpg[Image: Charged: Naveed Afzal HAQ, 30 (Source NEIN)]

According to witnesses, the gunman claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel, forced his way through the security door at the Jewish Federation after an employee had punched in her security code.

[...] Staff members said they overheard him saying "'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire on everyone," Meislin-Dietrich said. "He was randomly shooting at everyone."

David Gomez, an
FBI assistant special agent in charge of counterterrorism, said investigators believe the gunman targeted the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle.

"We believe at this point it's a lone individual acting out antagonism toward this particular organization," Gomez said.

Authorities have been advising synagogues and Jewish groups to be watchful in the weeks since hostilities erupted between Israel and Lebanon.

One person died at the scene of the shooting, and five women ranging in age from 19 to 43 were taken to Harborview Medical Center, three of them in critical condition, Seattle Fire Department spokeswoman Helen Fitzpatrick said. Deanna Nollette, a police spokeswoman, said the deceased was a woman who was shot.

More here...

A "Muslim American" killing American Jews because of Israel? Sounds like there are some Muslims that place the ummah before nationhood. Would we call the killer a Muslim or an Islamist? Was the killer an Islamist or a Muslim turned Islamist because of identification with his ideology instead of that of being an American? How many "American Muslims" are waiting to become Islamists - identifying with the ummah instead of the nation that has provided them citizenship and afforded them the freedom to practice their faith, live freely, and enjoy the many freedoms afforded one who lives in America? Is this act of murder in Seattle an aberation? Time will tell, but caution for non-Muslims and moderate Muslims is warranted.

And while you're reflecting on the questions, remember that there are many secular moderate Muslims who are just as frustrated over the Islamists as are non-Muslims.

So, like on the old TV show and recent movie, "the mission for all of us, should we accept it (and we have no other real choice)," is to figure out how we can know who are the Islamists and who are secular moderate Muslims and loyal citizens of America. There is a not-so-minor caveat we need to take into account - the matter just happens to be time-sensitive - we've got to figure out who's who before it's too late. I suspect, for that, we'll need some help from the moderate members of the ummah. If that sounds like a Catch-22, circular logic, that's because it is! Mission impossible??? Not really, there are a great many moderate Muslims in America and some of them are begining to speak out. Remember, it was a Muslim that turned in the Canadian terrorists.

Related: Belmont Club says - ... all the victims of the Seattle shooting were women, one of whom was pregnant. So now the post comes full circle. It was originally about humanitarianism and war crimes in asymmetric war. Question: was the perp a combatant or a criminal? Question: did he commit a war crime?

Related reading:
The Zawahiri Proclamation: One Ummah, One Jihad
Muslim Ummah urged to be united against Zionists, Christians
Muslim Ummah should unite against Israel
Shoe Bomber's Islam

Update: According to an investigation conducted by the Northeast Intelligence Network, HAQ might have connections to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and might have attended college in Pennsylvania sometime between 1998 and 2003. Additionally, our law enforcement sources are maintaining that HAQ was reportedly in possession of a copy Qu'ran and possessed Arabic language terrorist documents.

If true, and the NIN information holds up, this is in line with another comment in the same article: "At very least, this is a hate crime against the Jews. At worst, this is... these will be the first shots fired in the war in North America." --Lt. [Name Withheld by request,], Seattle, WA." More updates below in extended post....

29 July 2006: 3:45 a.m. ET Update: "I Hate Israel" said alleged murder suspect Naveed Afzal Haq, 30, pictured above, to a member of the Seattle Joint Terrorism Task Force after his arrest. The task force is assisting in the investigation of Friday's shooting spree. According to official law enforcement sources, HAQ forced his way into the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, 2031 Third Avenue, Seattle, Washington at approximately 4:00 p.m. on Friday. Armed with a semiautomatic 9-mm handgun, HAQ shot one receptionist, then ordered her to dial 911. He then took the phone from her and told the police that it was a hostage situation and he wanted us to get our weapons out of Israel, according to a combination of witness and police accounts.

Federation employee Marla Meislin-Dietrich said security videotapes show HAQ shoving his way past another employee who had just entered a pass code to open a security door. "He was armed and he pushed his way in," she said. According to various sournces on the scene, HAQ shouted "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," then and began to fire randomly at the center's employees.

Some of this won't surprise you: (Hat tip - Michelle Malkin)

Haq's father, Mian A. Haq, was a founding member of the Islamic Centre of Tri-Cities in Richland, said center member Youseff Shehadeh. He described the younger Haq as a loner who attended holidays at the center but was barely involved in recent years.

Naveed Haq's parents moved into a new suburb in Pasco less than three years ago after living in nearby Richland for more than a decade, said Maureen Hales, a neighbor. Mian Haq was involved in an Islamic center in Richland, but he did not discuss his religion with his neighbors, said Hales.

She said she had not seen Naveed Haq, but found his parents and his younger brother, Hasan, to be "quite enjoyable." The two families exchanged food, and Maureen Hales said she watches the Haqs' house when they're away.

Naveed Haq lived in an apartment building at 2924 Nassau St. in Everett until about two weeks ago, when he abruptly left, said tenant Chris Richey. The landlady told Richey that Haq was heading to Pakistan. Richie often talked with Haq about guns and politics, though little stuck out. Richey said Haq didn't like President Bush.

Hat tip - Tommy

Posted by Richard at July 29, 2006 10:56 AM

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Incidents like this more than beg the question; rather, these incidents demand that we answer them.

Is Islam capable of reforming itself so its' members can live at peace with others?

Should we, as a free nation, allow Islam to exist within our borders as a religion that is hell-bent on murdering Jews, Christians, and anyone else who rejects their religion?

Should we, as a free nation, allow Muslims to immigrate to this nation, knowing they will be bringing along the baggage of hate and murder towards Jews, Christians, etc.?

Should we allow Muslims to continue to live here if their intent is to bring terrorism to our streets?

Is there a limit to the tolerance we have known and enjoyed in this country?

Why should the government of the United States allow Muslims to live here at all if they cannot refrain from carrying out the murderous demands of the Koran and their Mullahs?

Where do we the draw the line?

# Posted by Sandstorm at 07/30/2006 08:46 am - reply- forum

First thing we have to do is to come face-to-face with the real problem. The Muslims (mostly Fundamentalists) are not killing us, because we happen to be Christians or Jews. That idea is pure propaganda, designed to cloak the real problem.

The real problem is the Israeli occupation of Palestine. The Muslims want Palestine returned to the Islam.

Now, the random killings around the world occur because the Fundamentalists envision the world as a huge, Jewish (Israeli)-orchestrated, economic entity. The Fundamentalists attack that entity, because they perceive it as the prime mover behind the sustained Israeli presence in Palestine.

Our Middle East problems are not really religious in nature. We get hoodwinked by the Western media's concentration on the misinterpreted messages of the Koran, as employed by the Fundamentalist Islamics.

Getting back to Israeli occupation of Palestine, the Fundamentalists hate British & Americans, because we created the Israeli nation in Palestine and continue to support it in every manner imaginable. Clearly, our powerful and influential Jewish community in the USA goes a long way in this support.

Try to think of the fiasco in the Middle East as an economic & property phenomenon, and the solution may be closer at hand than we believe.

With Aloha,

# Posted by harry at 07/30/2006 02:26 pm - reply- forum

Subject: Update on Shooter
To All:

SEATTLE (July 30) - The suspect in a fatal shooting rampage at a Jewish charity deeply disappointed his parents because he had dropped out of dentistry school, and had been getting psychiatric help for 10 years, a family friend and his lawyer said.

Naveed Haq, 30, was a bright student who moved to the East Coast to study dentistry after graduating from high school in 1994, said Muhammad Ullah, a close friend of the suspect's family.

But he dropped out after just a few years, frustrating his accomplished parents and straining their relationship.

"They had expressed to me their concern and unhappiness: 'He can't decide what he wants to do with his life,'" said Ullah, a senior member of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities. "He had grown distant from his family since he didn't finish school."

Haq was ordered held on $50 million bail Saturday pending formal charges of murder and attempted murder. Prosecutors have until Wednesday to file formal charges.

He is accused of opening fire with two semiautomatic pistols at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle on Friday, killing Pamela Waechter, 58, and wounding five other women, one of whom is five months pregnant.

Haq, a U.S.-born Muslim, told authorities he was angered by the war in Iraq and U.S. military cooperation with Israel. According to a statement of probable cause, Haq told a 911 dispatcher: "These are Jews and I'm tired of getting pushed around and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East."

Authorities said they believed Haq was acting on his own, and there was no evidence of a broad conspiracy.

Haq's family was well-known in the local Muslim community, where his father, Mian, an engineer, was a founding member of the Islamic Center in this south-central Washington town.

Haq, whose parents had moved to the United States from Pakistan in the 1970s, excelled in writing, winning an essay contest as a teenager, Ullah said. He eventually completed an engineering degree at Washington State University.

Then in March, Haq was arrested at a Benton County stopping mall. Newspaper reports said that he climbed onto a raised coin fountain and exposed himself to young women.

Larry Stephenson, a Kennewick lawyer who is representing Haq on the lewd conduct charge, told The Seattle Times that Haq has been getting psychiatric help for about 10 years.

"He's had real difficulty," he said, adding that he thought Haq was single and unemployed.

Ullah told The Times that the parents were "desperately trying to help their son," who was on medication.

Haq had asked Ullah to bail him out of jail after being arrested at the shopping mall.

"He was too embarrassed to call his parents. He was in enough trouble with them already," Ullah said. "Because we were the closest friends to the family, he probably sensed he could trust me."

Ullah ended up calling Haq's parents, who picked up their son and drove him home. Ullah did not see Haq again until he attended Friday prayers at the mosque two weeks ago, largely keeping to himself.

"I shook hands, and he walked away," Ullah said. "He didn't seem to be the one I know of, but I didn't really pay much attention because I was busy with other things."

Haq's parents are devastated and struggling to understand how their son strayed from the teachings of Islam, Ullah said.

No one answered the door at the Haq residence north of Pasco, where Haq's parents moved in the past few years after raising their two sons in nearby Richland.

"We feel bad for his parents — good parents, good people," Ullah said. "Today, this is a totally sad day for our community."

With Aloha,

# Posted by harry at 07/31/2006 01:43 am - reply- forum

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