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January 13, 2006

HarryTho 1/13 Natalee Holloway Commentary

Topics: Natalee Holloway

As a reminder, we will take the weekend off from posting editorials (only); however, we will be commenting on developments, as they arise. The next editorial will be Monday evening 16 January 2006.

Our regular posting, however, will continue during the weekend.

This evening, we will explore the theatrical presentations of the cable news networks and cover some of the days news items.

I believe it goes without saying that last evening's Rita Crosby Show on MSNBC News was something that crossed the boundaries of news credibility. Those interviewed by Rita included Beth Twitty, Jossy Mansur (indirectly), Tim Miller and John Q. Kelly. Jossy Mansur has been considered a questionable resource on Aruba information for quite some time. What Rita aired was a statement by Jossy Mansur directly implicating Joran van der Sloot engaging in a sexual conduct with the missing Natalee Holloway. Jossy's own reporter interviewed Joran van der Sloot and denied any such statement. Jossy, for whatever reason, ignored his own reporter's statements and makes this outrageous allegation. Either the person (Vito Lane?) interviewing Joran misrepresented his interchange with Joran, or Jossy has fabricated, yet another, pseudo-lead in the case. It seems, well-established, that Jossy Mansur's modus operandi is the fabrication of news. Yet, Rita Crosby and MSNBC News airs Jossy's fabrications as gospel to American audiences.

Second, Beth Twitty comes on with her usual chorus of "kidnapped, gang-raped and murdered" her daughter. Clearly, after seven-months of investigation and having apologized for egregiously condemning the three suspects on international television, Beth Twitty continues to rant similarly. Once again, Rita Crosby and MSNBC News proceed to air this ranting, as if it were factual.

Third, Tim Miller introduces some credible side-scan sonar expert and proceeds to narrate his latest proposed adventure to Aruba. When asked a simple question as to if he will be diving the intended area immediately, he exhales some air and says "No." Apparently, he has not cleared this diving adventure with Aruban authorities. Furthermore, he discusses the item motivating this latest search as some fish-trap that another beacon of credibility, Art Ward, contended was stolen from the Fishermen's Huts. Neither Rita nor MSNBC News questions this fish trap statement, despite it having been discounted by Police Chief Dompig months ago. From our Aruban sources, the fish trap is yet another fabrication of Jossy Mansur. Neither Rita nor MSNBC News even questions why Tim Miller is even going to Aruba. The side-scan sonar belongs to, and is operated by, another entity totally independent of Tim Miller and his Texas EquuSearch team. Yet, Rita and MSNBC News are airing a proposed deep-sea search, 3-5 miles off the southwest coast of Aruba, into some deep (~1000 feet) trench in order to detect a fish trap that does not exist. What becomes more unbelievable, neither Rita nor MSNBC News questions Tim Miller or the side-scan sonar expert, James Whitaker, how they will confirm a fish trap, if the side-scan sonar detects something in 1000 feet of water. Let us face it, no scuba diver is going down there to check it out. Only a hard hat diver with rigging will be able to make such attempt (probably military). Given the sea state and conditions in the trench, a deep-sea submersible may be required. Tim Miller offered none of this information. He is going to Aruba, again. That is it.

Lastly, John Q. Kelly sums it with allegations against the Van der Sloot family that he, as an attorney, would know are unsubstantiated, if not in contradistinction to the decisions of the Dutch Court. John actually demeans the Dutch Court and implies favoritism. Rita and MSNBC News air this behavior, as if it were true.

What is going on here? How can MSNBC News continue to get away with such airings? Very little of what MSNBC News aired was factual and/or credible. Yet, neither Rita nor MSNBC News questioned any of it. Why?

What I have noticed over the years is a gradual decay in the professionalism of our American court system. Incredible as this may read, we had a federal case in Honolulu where a licensed attorney plead for legal fees (damages) in a case that the US District Court decided against his law firm. His firm lost the case, and he plead for damages. The US District Court judge had take him aside and explain the facts of the law to him. Now, I ask our readers: how bad do our legal institutions have to be performing for an attorney to miss a piece of wisdom like that? Can they be teaching the legal profession at all, or are they just ticket-punchers for the privileged class?

Many of our readers may conclude that I am over-reacting here, but, as former quality control specialist, I can assure you that the incident aforementioned indicates that many serious things would have had to breakdown for an attorney to be so oblivious. Furthermore, if one expands the implications of this incident, one would discover that our courts are more arenas for competition in rhetoric than institutions of justice. Justice, as most Americans (not lawyers) understand, has been abandoned. We now encounter endless word games and semantic dilemmas at some $300 per hour. Legal fees have escalated out of most Americans' financial abilities. Justice becomes merely a word in the dictionary. Our attorneys master disciplines such as deconstruction, textual analysis and other post-structural pursuits. Case that used to carry price tags a few thousand dollars now run up the tab in excess of $150,000.00, if contested. Succinctly, the first $2,000 accounts for law and documentation of motions, the remaining bill, $148,000.00, arises from the semantic confusion of connotations ... pure rhetorical gamesmanship.

So what? What does this have to do with Rita Crosby's Show?

What the loss of control in our court systems has spawned is an overflow into other institutions and practices in our society. If we can beat the judicial system with simply games of rhetoric, we become invincible in other aspects of society. It is no chance that many of our cable news networks employ former lawyers as their anchors and hosts. These lawyers know from experience what they can get away with saying on TV. They know that they can defend themselves with simple rhetoric and cloud the issues sufficiently to make the complaints difficult to fathom. They know this.

Accordingly, when someone like Rita Crosby and MSNBC News airs the fabrications and half-truths of the Natalee Holloway case, they are aware of what they are doing. They just feel invincible from anyone who would challenge them on it. They utter whatever they desire without concern for criticism.

How do we change this behavior? First, We have to insist upon our elected officials to staff their legal review boards with competent individuals who posses the courage of their convictions. Second, we have to call every shot. If we observe any infraction of the Code of Professional Conduct by an attorney, we report them to those legal review boards.

American Bar Association: Center for Professional Responsibility : Model Rules of Professional Conduct

If the legal review boards fail to act, then report those individuals to your elected representatives. If the legal review board ignores you, report the head of the legal review board to your elected officials and the waste, fraud and abuse hotlines. Remember, these individuals are paid by our tax dollars. They have to get the message that the free ride is over. It will be difficult, because, quite frankly, they have been unemployed for decades, if not longer.

Professional Misconduct and Discipline

In the news, Expatica reports that Prime Minister Balkenende is bulldozing the issue of sending Dutch troops through his cabinet.

Expatica's Dutch news in English: Balkenende bulldozes through 'Afghan roadblock'


The full cabinet has decided to send more Dutch troops to Afghanistan, Prime Minister Balkenende declared on Friday afternoon.
Speaking after the weekly cabinet meeting, Balkenende said the decision of the centre-right coalition would be outlined in a letter to parliament.

Earlier on Friday, Defence Minister Henk Kamp has insisted no new arguments would be presented at the cabinet meeting to break the deadlock on the controversial mission.

Kamp said the cabinet was standing by the letter it sent to parliament before Christmas stating the "intention" to send the troops. "All our arguments are contained in this," Kamp said.

The letter cited the in involvement of the European Union in the construction efforts in Uruzgan. He said the government's declared "intention" was enough basis for parliament to consider the deployment.

Kamp said he was confident the cabinet would survive the controversy and the mission would proceed.

Comment: Despite the "letter of intent" (LOI), the Dutch Parliament still has to approve sending the troops. However, it looks promising.

In clarification, the term cabinet refers to those ministers of parliament (MPs) selected to offices of authority (ex: Minister for Foreign Affairs) by the Prime Minister in concurrence with the ruling coalition. Parliament refers to all the ministers elected. The cabinet may consists of some twenty (20) ministers; whereas, the parliament may contain hundreds (100s) of ministers.

Also, from Expatica, the Afghan ambassador to the Kingdom of the Netherlands desires the Dutch troops:

Afghanistan is anxiously waiting the arrival of Dutch troops. As a paradise on Earth, the Netherlands has a duty to help others," the Afghan Ambassador in Brussels, Humayun Tandar, said on Thursday.
Tandar was referring to the ongoing political discussion in The Hague on whether to send 1,200 Dutch troops to take part the 6,000-strong Nato mission in the southern Afghan province of Uruzgan. The Taliban remain active in the area.

Speaking on current affairs programme 'Nova', Tandar said it was "a choice between the fight against the fascist Taliban and the terrorists of al Qaeda, or bombs in one's own country and trains full of blood, as happened in Madrid."

The ambassador conceded the deployment could "perhaps cost the lives of a few soldiers but save the lives of thousands of others."

The Dutch soldiers are mainly needed to build schools, hospitals and bridges. Confrontations with the Taliban and al Qaeda, Tandar said, would be small scale and only a small part of the mission.

We will update as more news becomes available.

With Aloha,

Posted by Richard at January 13, 2006 8:36 PM

Harry wrote:
..."Yet, Rita and MSNBC News are airing a proposed deep-sea search, 3-5 miles off the southwest coast of Aruba, into some deep (~1000 feet) trench in order to detect a fish trap that does not exist."...

I can well imagine the tears on your keyboard as you wrote that. Whether they were tears of rage or hilarity, only you will know, but those few words, in a nutshell, sum up the credibility of all involved with last night's instalment of this continuing fiasco.

Posted by: dayo gould at January 13, 2006 9:34 PM

Dear Moey:

(response to last evening comment section question about the fish trap adventure)

First, there exists no stolen fish trap. All that was reported stolen was one knife.

Second, I agree that the suspects, teenagers, would have to possess macabre personalities in order to carve up a teenage girl in order to fit her body parts into one of these fish traps then transport her into international waters, at night, and dump her into a deep, underwater trench. There would be traces of blood, flesh and bone everywhere. You would not need the extravagant search parties or pack of cadaver dogs that we observed on the cable news networks. You could just follow the trail created by the discarded entrails and the increased fish activity out to the point of disposal. The crab-feast extravaganza in the trench would likewise be noticeable by sensitive or sea-wise fishermen.

Only Jossy and his agents could concoct such a fantasy. Only in the Kingdom of Mountain Brook or the Alabama legislature could such a feat of shamanistic imagination be plausible. It would rank as the fourth volume of the Lord of the Rings.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 13, 2006 9:54 PM

In clarification, the term cabinet refers to those ministers of parliament (MPs) selected to offices of authority (ex: Minister for Foreign Affairs) by the Prime Minister in concurrence with the ruling coalition. Parliament refers to all the ministers elected. The cabinet may consists of some twenty (20) ministers; whereas, the parliament may contain hundreds (100s) of ministers.
(Harry)

Impressive article as always!

Members of parliament are not ministers but named: Elected People Representatives. Like the US Congress. The so called 2nd chamber always has 150 members elected every four years and according to the results the chairs in this parliament are given to each participating political party. At this moment about 10. A cabinet is formed out of these parties that have a majority in this parliament but each with a different agenda. As you understand this is always a matter of consensus. Prevailing behaviour is a problem and not an option.

Ministers are members of the administration(cabinet) and not necessarily former members of this parliament or politicians, can be anyone. The chairman and leader of this cabinet is the Prime-Minster, at the moment Mr. Balkenende.
The head of state is the Queen.
The same principle for Aruba but in a mini version, like a small county in the USA.

Ayo,

Posted by: letstalk at January 13, 2006 10:24 PM

Dear letstalk:

Are you implying that, say the Foreign Minister, could be appointed by members of the ruling coalition but not be an elected people representative?

If that is true, then the Dutch parliament system is quite distinct from other parliamentary systems, at least those with which I am familiar. The Dutch parliament arrangement reads like a cross between the American government and the British parliamentary system.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 13, 2006 11:13 PM

Harry,

Now we have a new "Teaser" headline advertisement on Fox news. Natalee to be found, as We return to Aruba, watch Jamie Colby tomorrow night on The Lineup for all the shocking discoveries. Now we all know what they are talking about. The fish trap, and the deep sea search, like we haven't heard about that before, but pedaling it as something new has come up so everyone will tune in. I guess Tim Miller wants lots of Advertisement about his return to Aruba, and lots of people to send in the bucks for this shocking new information. Harry, how do they think we are stupid enough to not see right through this BS?
Now we all know that when Tim Miller gets there and hopes for freebies while there, and finds nothing he will leave and say he couldn't get any cooperation, so the only option is to continue the boycott. I can't understand why Aruba will even let this man in knowing what he is going to do to them. I mean let the other guy in and let him search, but halt Tim Miller... Unbelievable..

Posted by: therose at January 13, 2006 11:40 PM

I have been wondering all along, MSNBC News, FOX, CNN, the politicians, etc.., keep supporting Holloway/Twitty, they are aware more than I am, is only imagination, false evidence. What is their goal? What are they earning with supporting a case that has no solid ground?

IMO, Aruba immigration should ask Miller or the new group FU, in order to go and work even as volunteers, (in Canada CIC issue some special permit to work in this category,) does Aruba has this special document , and instead of asking the ALE, just make the formally request, Aruba Immigration could in the case, study the application. If they require help, Aruba could permit their entrance as volunteers. The group in question should the fee for the permit and PAY THEIR EXPENSES.
However, if they enter the country and plant evidence, maybe Mansur by this time has sent someone to do the dirty job.
Bonne nuit,
antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at January 13, 2006 11:42 PM

Hi Antoinette,

One can only imagine just what Jossy Mansur will develop next. This constant force feeding us with this Twitty/Holloway junk, is so aggravating. I mean now Jamie Colby on the Lineup on Saturday night, and then Monday night Bethie is back on Greta with her Journal of Lies. Makes you wonder if the Twitty/Holloways are paying for tv time, with the Trust Fund.

I also heard on RWV, that Bethie is attending her brother Paul Reynolds wedding in New York this weekend. The people on RWV are saying Paul Reynolds (Beth's) brother is marrying the PR woman from the travel agent that went to Aruba with the Twitty's. Now if that information is correct, then from Beth's statement that the Trust fund was paying for the families flight, lodging,food, etc to help with the search, it is not much more of a stretch of the imagination to realize that Paul Reynolds was then romancing this woman on the Trust Fund dime and on the dime of the Aruban people. If that is correct then I would surmise this to be mis use of the funds, aince the funds were to fund the search. One can only think then that Paul Reynolds (Beths brother) found Aruba to be a beautiful place to court this woman and to do it without any money out of his pocket. Keep in mind that I read this on RWV, so I can't say it is 100 per cent correct, but may be.

Since the Twitty/Holloways were getting comped rooms, free food and money from the Arubans, and the Arubans were paying TES, etc, then just what was the Trust fund being used for? And through all this the timing for Beth to buy her son Matt a new Toyota Tundra, and Jug to get a new Harley Davidson Fat boy, and Beth to take ski trips to Utah, sure makes me wonder if she is misusing the Trust fund. At any rate she sure seems to be enjoying the heck out of herself, and not worrying much about her missing daughter. I don't ever recall seeing any tears from this woman, and I see her get really excited when she is on tv talking about her Journal of Lies, and calling the boys rapists, murderers, etc. To me this whole thing appears to be a big scam of some kind....

Posted by: therose at January 14, 2006 12:56 AM

Go to www bwcitypaper.com click on publishers notebook read about the cruel hoax Julia Renfro the Aruba Today reporter pulled on Beth and Jug in Aruba. She is the one that claims Beth got a phone call from Natalee when she was on Aruba.

Hey Harry if Texas Equusearch does find Natalee Holloway' body how long will it take you to accuse them of planting the body for the family.

Posted by: INDIANAREDNECK at January 14, 2006 1:48 AM

IndianaRedneck Wrote:

"Go to www bwcitypaper.com click on publishers notebook read about the cruel hoax Julia Renfro the Aruba Today reporter pulled on Beth and Jug in Aruba."

Chuck Geiss of bwcitypaper spent some time in Aruba back in early June, likely on HMI's dime, and has written a chapter from Beth's journal every month since then. He gets his Kool-Aid in B'ham, which is close to the source, so his supply is high-test.

http://p073.ezboard.com/ftheunusualsuspectsfrm7.showMessage?topicID=601.topic

"June 16, 2005
…”Our plane touched down Friday evening, June 10, on the island of Aruba. As we approached the hotel where Natalee Holloway had stayed during her five-day vacation, yellow and white ribbons were evident everywhere. On June 5 the island had exhausted its supply of yellow ribbons, so white ribbons joined yellow ones on lampposts, street signs, and flagpoles. They were visible reminders of a tragic story that many island locals hoped would disappear…”

Posted by: dayo gould at January 14, 2006 2:12 AM

Indianaredneck,

That birmingham article is pure fiction to put it nicely rather than say it is an outright lie. Beth has told so many lies she has forgotten what she said. However, her earlier story about the body was totally different than this new story. Just a new Twit twist to sway people from the truth of their ugly behavior on the Island. I believe Julia Renfro any day of the week rather than those lying Twits. Sorry don't buy that story, nor would bother to read it. Beth Twitty needs to remember that if "You don't tell a Lie you don't have to remember anything". In her case now she needs to start remembering what she has told so I would suggest to her, that she needs to start going over all the transcripts of all the many tv shows she has blabbed on to find out what she did say so she can stop making herself look like the liar she is, now if she does that since she has been on SO MANY SHOWS, that should keep her busy for the next year or so, and by then people may forget some of her lies, but don't count on it. Some of us have very good memories.

I also find it quite amusing that Tim Miller is already bad mouthing Aruba before he gets a chance to go back. Via tv show this morning his quote was "They (meaning the Arubans) want us to go away but we are NOT. He made some others also, but I failed to read the rest of what he said as I got disguested and left the article.

It would take me far too many words to describe just how low I feel this Twitty/Holloway Circus of clowns are so I will just say it as simply as Deepak says it. Enough of this BS already.

Posted by: therose at January 14, 2006 3:16 AM

SNIP: Now we have a new "Teaser" headline advertisement on Fox news. Natalee to be found, as We return to Aruba, watch Jamie Colby tomorrow night on The Lineup for all the shocking discoveries.

Posted by: therose at January 13, 2006 11:40 PM

Harry,

Is there anything that can be done to stop the cable networks from using these shamelessly- dishonest "teasers" to lure in viewers? The stunt Rita/MSNBC pulled last night was really over the top. The retail industry gets slammed hard if they engage in false advertising, and yet this is exactly what networks like Fox and MSNBC are doing every day.

Posted by: Max at January 14, 2006 3:53 AM

I'm almost sure that, after the Van der Sloot's get their amends from Aruba, they will sue CNN, MSNBC, Fox, dr.Phil and maybe some blogs. In the USA.

Posted by: phuti at January 14, 2006 8:29 AM

Are you implying that, say the Foreign Minister, could be appointed by members of the ruling coalition but not be an elected people representative?
(Harry)

Yes it is. They do not have to be elected by anyone!! There is however the law that defines what person(s) can become a minister. Like: The Dutch nationality etc..
A cabinet is formed by the joining political parties. Each in proportion with the seats in parliament after the election. So one has more and another one less. The number of available departments do not change much over the years, but as the result of negotiations and urgent matters in society one can be added or deleted. Every party in the coalition proposes the person(s) for their share of ministers and departments to the future prime-minister. Than an antecedents investigation starts for the peron(s) involved and that's it. In the past persons are ruled out because of their antecedents according the law. At the end there is the installation by the Head of State(Queen).
Always consensus, consensus, consensus....... remember!

For an outsider it is rather complex.
Let me try.
There is never one party that has the majority in parliament. At least I do not remember. Meaning: 75 seats plus 1 in the 2nd chamber(150 seats). So a government(cabinet) is always formed in a coalition.
The problem is how to form this coalition. All these political parties, from 5 seats up to 40, are consulted by a person or persons appointed by the Queen to find out what coalition could work. This can take from one to four month, even longer. Reason: All these groups have a different view of how the country should be in the future and how to get to it.
In general the prime-minister is the leader or an other member of the party in the coalition with the most seats in this coalition.

From the start, the head of the state(Queen) is involved by appointing the person(s) to investigate and after advice from this person(s) and all the leaders of the elected parties, the person(s) to start the negotiatons to form a coalition.
All this is done to make sure no one ever has complete political power. Anyhow in theorie it is possible but it works and in a cabinet you can find parties from left to right and everything in between, what the citizen vote for. It does go far back in history, the Republic of the Seven Provinces around 1500. A strong suspicion, nearly hate, against any domination like the Spanish King and result in the 80 years war 1568-1648 and the peace of Munster.

So if you see what is going on with the sending of one more detachment of NL troops(approx 1200 men/women) to Afghanistan, this is where all the fuss comes from.

Always consensus first in NL before a decision is made. Alternative? It will not happen.

Above is a very simple version of the procedure to form a cabinet.

Visit the link and find all information on the political system and procedures. Sorry, full Dutch but with a graphic diagram. Could not find an English version.
http://www.parlement.com

English version parliament, attn: Meet the tweede kamer> forming a government(short and simple):
http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/

H enjoy your weekend

Posted by: letstalk at January 14, 2006 9:03 AM

Are you implying that, say the Foreign Minister, could be appointed by members of the ruling coalition but not be an elected people representative?
(Harry)

Yes it is. They do not have to be elected by anyone!! There is however the law that defines what person(s) can become a minister. Like: The Dutch nationality etc..
A cabinet is formed by the joining political parties. Each in proportion with the seats in parliament after the election. So one has more and another one less. The number of available departments do not change much over the years, but as the result of negotiations and urgent matters in society one can be added or deleted. Every party in the coalition proposes the person(s) for their share of ministers and departments to the future prime-minister. Than an antecedents investigation starts for the peron(s) involved and that's it. In the past persons are ruled out because of their antecedents according the law. At the end there is the installation by the Head of State(Queen).
Always consensus, consensus, consensus....... remember!

For an outsider it is rather complex.
Let me try.
There is never one party that has the majority in parliament. At least I do not remember. Meaning: 75 seats plus 1 in the 2nd chamber(150 seats). So a government(cabinet) is always formed in a coalition.
The problem is how to form this coalition. All these political parties, from 5 seats up to 40, are consulted by a person or persons appointed by the Queen to find out what coalition could work. This can take from one to four month, even longer. Reason: All these groups have a different view of how the country should be in the future and how to get to it.
In general the prime-minister is the leader or an other member of the party in the coalition with the most seats in this coalition.

From the start, the head of the state(Queen) is involved by appointing the person(s) to investigate and after advice from this person(s) and all the leaders of the elected parties, the person(s) to start the negotiatons to form a coalition.
All this is done to make sure no one ever has complete political power. Anyhow in theorie it is possible but it works and in a cabinet you can find parties from left to right and everything in between, what the citizen vote for. It does go far back in history, the Republic of the Seven Provinces around 1500. A strong suspicion, nearly hate, against any domination like the Spanish King and result in the 80 years war 1568-1648 and the peace of Munster.

So if you see what is going on with the sending of one more detachment of NL troops(approx 1200 men/women) to Afghanistan, this is where all the fuss comes from.

Always consensus first in NL before a decision is made. Alternative? It will not happen.

Above is a very simple version of the procedure to form a cabinet.

Visit the link and find all information on the political system and procedures. Sorry, full Dutch but with a graphic diagram. Could not find an English version.
http://www.parlement.com

English version parliament, attn: Meet the tweede kamer> forming a government(short and simple):
http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/

H enjoy your weekend

Posted by: letstalk at January 14, 2006 9:10 AM

Hi Harry and all:
Indianaredneck referenced the "pr piede" in a Birmingham "Publication" the Black and White. After you read this "interesting response to the VF articles" you may want to take a look at the following thread it has an intereting discussion of the "article":
......................................................
fiery - I do know that that paper is like the National Enquirer...

More here...

http://ceetveerefugees.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1328&start=0

Posted by: gagal_05 | Saturday, January 14, 2006 at 02:34 AM

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at January 14, 2006 10:37 AM

Hi Harry and fellow commenters,
I would like to make you aware of the poster, "stinky pete". "Stinky pete" purports to be a genuine mountain brook 2005 graduate and he has a lot of fascinating observations:

stinkypete

Joined: 09 Nov 2005
Posts: 895

^ because her mama lied about the video....and got the girls to change their stories.

I ain't making it up, don't have to. FEB said she saw Natalee back at the hotel right on national TV...fumble and poor recovery. Also Dompig has admitted that two of the girls said Natalee was back at the hotel and changed their stories. And we have Beth's cruel comments after viewing the video (she was the only one asked to ID Natalee) that it was not her daughter.

No one has stopped this nightmare because Arubans are not used to dealing with American media.

Had that video evidence happened in the U.S. as soon a Beth gave a negative ID, that video would have been aired on national televison asking for people to help ID the girl in the video. The nightmare would have ended right then and there. Beth would not have gotten any further than that.
_________________
Wasting away in Margaritaville, waiting for somebody to tell the truth.

http://ceetveerefugees.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1312

Posted by: Researcher at January 14, 2006 10:50 AM

If I may Harry,
I would also like to point out that there is another excellent site concerning this topic:

http://www.scrux.com/

On this site you may find all of the statements made by the Mountain Brook students as well as a transcription of the "Skeeter's tapes". There is also other usefull information there. I posted this for the commenters who may only be coming here, like Albert. This way they can see the other research out there.
Thanks Harry.

Posted by: Researcher at January 14, 2006 11:03 AM

Indianaredneck:

Why do you bother to post here? How could Tim Miller plant a body in a fish trap in 1000 feet of sea water? Simple forensics would unearth his misdeed ... seven months immersed in salt water exposed to crustaceans. Do you believe a forensic scientist could overlook something like that?

If you are coming here to this blog, Inidianaredneck, in order to insult us, you might do a little research. In this way, you might be able to camouflage the distinct connotations associated with your comment name.

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 14, 2006 1:17 PM

Dear Max:

What I tried to describe in the editorial is that the out-of-control shenanigans from our courtrooms have spilled over into the media presentations. If you watch closely, you will be able to see the similarities. The talk show hosts, most former lawyers or coached by lawyers, simply make outrageous allegations and knowingly explore avenues that have been discredited. If they are called onto the carpet, then they simply state that "they did not know" and point the fingers are the discredited culprits. No one raises issues of culpable inefficiency.

Take the hearings, paid by our tax dollars, in which a former Clinton lawyer attempted some sleight-of-hand, legal techniques in order to win the vote for Al Gore in Florida: He submitted a bad faith affidavit. He adulterated a ballot and attempted to support it by duping with a foreign Yale professor. Both of these stunts, paid for by our tax dollars, constitute professional misconduct. Yet, to the best of my knowledge, he still practices law and was never called by any legal oversight committee. Succinctly, these outrageous practices are common in the legal community, and we taxpayers pay for all of them.

In response to you, we need to attack, ruthlessly, the legal review boards in each state and display our displeasure with their lame and lethargic performance. They have made a mockery of America and our constitution.

My (civil) recommendation is to report any and all incidents of professional misconduct to your legal review board and copy your elected representative. If nothing happens to change the motivation of the legal review board, then, at election time, provide the incumbent's opponent with your concerns and copies of your complaints. In this way, we can communicate that we are serious: Either change or be humiliated and voted out of office.

The root of the problem with the outrageous behavior of our media resides in the disrespect and lawlessness running rampant in our courtrooms.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 14, 2006 1:43 PM

Dear Researcher:

I am aware of Roger's Scrux site, and I have recommended it to our posters in order to help focus their understanding of the legal challenges facing the Aruban prosecutor. Thank you for the reminder post!

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 14, 2006 1:54 PM

Dear letstalk:

Thank you for the clarification about the workings and organization of the Dutch Parliament.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 14, 2006 1:56 PM

Ï am not sure if we are going to give time to Tim Miller and the FU search team. I hate to waste time on uncredible people like Tim". These are the exact words of a top investigator in the Aruban Police Force. He furhter explain that if they are here it's o.k. and that not necesary means that they are welcomed and that they will receive any informations regarding the case. Authorities in Aruba are very carefull now with providing informations. In a press conference of the The Public Prosecutors Office, their p.r. argued with the local press regaring some informations spread around regarding some cases in Aruba. The diario repororter was hammering on some issues and forgot all his journalism ethics and ignoring that Jossie Mansur was the one that fabricated the sorie of a stolen fishtrap. Police continuosly decline such report in the investigation. No fishtrap has been reported missing or stolen. In Aruba we have many petty crimes for which we only have 6 public prosecuters. Each of them attend their case under supervision of the General Attorney Bureau. None of them, as per law of the Public Prosecutors Office is allowed to give any statements regaridng a case. Only if the case is closed and that the Courthouse has issued a veredict, then informations are allowed to be given to the media. There are many reasons for this. aruba is a very small island and almost everybody knows everybody. Then they have to be careful not to give out confidential informations of a case which means jeopardizing the case. The P.P.O. will not correct, react or declined any informations in the local or international press. Their main duty is to guarantee everybody a fair inveatigation and trial.

Regadrs,
Albert

Posted by: Albert at January 14, 2006 2:40 PM

Dear Albert:

Thank you for that input!

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 14, 2006 3:27 PM

Patrick Hurley apparently has been hired by Beth Twitty. Please read this article on useless knowlegde.com. Hurley is accusing Dayo Gould of being Paul van der Sloot!? Another chapter in the disinformation campaign of HMI. http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/06jan/article100.html

Posted by: Tj. de Haan at January 14, 2006 3:55 PM

Harry,

How can you say there is no favoritism? I remember an Aruban attorney stating that the 2 black guys couldn't sue per Aruban law....but Paul can? You actually don't think these boys had anything to do with this girls dissapearance? Scott Peterson is on death row. Only thing different is the body washed up. No time of death, no cause, no evidence, but he's on death row. How can you think these boys had nothing to do with her dissapearance?

Posted by: susan at January 14, 2006 4:43 PM

Susan Jan 14, 2006

The MB kids were the last to see Natalee; that is why they are so well protected from talking. The answer lies there, with a "few" girls and guys. Beth knows that! She chose to find others to blame because of the "thick" blood in MB! Who is related to who, the money trail, corruption, and much, much more.

Posted by: "laced" at January 14, 2006 5:06 PM

When the authors get so "ugly" toward each other on public forums, well, I think they just lose much credibility, if not all. That goes for all, not just one such as Patrick Hurley. He does take the "thumb down" award though, trying to say that Dayo Gould is Pauluus van der Sloot. I find that quite hilarious.
On another note, I would not even consider buying Patrick's or Dave's book, if even just for curiousity, as I'm sure there's much of Beths' bible in there.
Albert, if you are writing a book, I will certainly obtain one of yours, as I do have a way to get a hold of one. So write away.

Posted by: "laced" at January 14, 2006 5:19 PM

Tj. de Haan,
It would be fantastic to have Mr. PVDS no matter the alias he uses and if he is Dayo Gould, I think Harry would not mind that he is posting in the same blog that we are. I do not is coward because he will be giving his opinion as we all do.
What I really find odd, coward, etc, is the way the Holloway/Twits are hiding behind a TV channel, misusing it to cover up the truth. Throwing stones behind the wall.
When Beth was in Aruba, always surrounded by the US media, why because she is a coward, and the same thing happened with Dave every single step they gave, the media. They claimed because they feared for their lives.
ASAP as they jumped the Caribbean, their mouth seems like a snake’s nest.
@Albert, Does it exist in immigration a work permit as a volunteer: Is it possible that FU could apply for one or is just by word? Would you mind to explain this?
Thx,
Antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at January 14, 2006 5:55 PM

Go to www bwcitypaper.com click on publishers notebook read about the cruel hoax Julia Renfro the Aruba Today reporter pulled on Beth and Jug in Aruba. She is the one that claims Beth got a phone call from Natalee when she was on Aruba.

Posted by: INDIANAREDNECK
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I went to the site and read it. This does not sound like a hoax that Julia played on them, rather the she was given bad information also, so it was a hoax on her too. Re the phone call - what has Julia Renfroe got to do with that? Nothing. I saw Beth interviewed on TV about the call and she claims that is did sound a bit lit Natalee, that she thought it was and had a trained ear since she is a speech pathologist. Dave was interviewed about the call and he did not think it was Natalee.

Posted by: shonane at January 14, 2006 6:11 PM

Dear susan:

Please read our past editorials and comments, and you will be enlightened as to the role of the two Black security guards.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 14, 2006 6:52 PM

Comment from Patrick Hurley after I critized his article on Dayo Gould and his intentions (btw I am from Groningen in Holland):

go climb back under the aruban rock you came from.

until you are willing to give out your real name and phone number like I have, you have NO credibility.

I make plenty of money. I don't take money from funds, nor have I ever met or talked to Beth Twitty.

Unlike you, I just care about a missing child who was murdered by three thugs.

go away and get a LIFE!

Posted by: Tjeerd at January 14, 2006 7:01 PM

With all respect, Tjeerd, this is Harry's forum and, IMO, should not be used to discuss matters that are not related to Natalee or topics under discussion here.

Harry expressed his opinion that he would prefer not to see other site's arguments continued on his forum. I respect his comments and would ask others to do the same.

If you wish to discuss U-K articles, the U-K website now has a rebuttal feature that will allow you to do so. Best regards.

Posted by: dayo gould at January 14, 2006 7:22 PM

Okee, you are right. Harry and Richard are the best on this topic.

Posted by: Tjeerd at January 14, 2006 7:46 PM

@Tjeerd,
Well I do not have your real name either.
I just read that the classmates MB saw Natalee in the ocean at 3 AM. I can not blame them if she drawn she was as drank as they were. Maybe they are having nightmaresBecause they do not have the …. come forward and say what really happened.
Think we are going to have the time to have the movie in dvd at home.
Dave will become double millionaire then Beth is going to sue him for half of the gains..
Imagine now they have the different funds, auctions, the BEST SELLER by Dave, bracelets, prays for sell, stickers, then is Beth going to start selling Natalee clothes, and her white binder, wonder who is the one that will be sell the story to make a movie. Sounds like a profitable tragedy, Hmmmm

Posted by: antoinette at January 14, 2006 7:57 PM

Dear Tjeerd:

I concur with other posters. Mr. Hurley does not post on our blog. Whatever he expresses on another blog should be addressed there. As you can perceive, our blog entertains another point of view than that championed by Mr. Hurley.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 14, 2006 8:02 PM

How can you say there is no favoritism? I remember an Aruban attorney stating that the 2 black guys couldn't sue per Aruban law....but Paul can?

As long as you follow all the legal procedures with a legal representative you can go ahead and make use of you rights within the Aruban/Dutch laws. The two securities was told by their legal representatives NOT to give comments and or statements to any media's, At their release from the police station they held a press conference. I was there that night. Couple of days later they were on Greta's talkshow and claiming that their arrest was because they were black. Both of their lawyers pulled back, meanwhile those two securities never approach any other lawyers to present a case against the p.p.o. an against the government of Aruba. I hope that I have informed you the utmost correct way! Bla bla in the media does NOT help anyone in such a case!

Albert.

Posted by: Albert at January 14, 2006 9:23 PM

Hi Albert,

Thank you for all your info, much appreciated!

But why is it that alot of us heard from the beginning that those two sec.guards were really not that "clean" as some think they are? We heared that they were dealing, and were on the beach lots of time to sell drugs, that they stole items of hotelguests, that they were hassel alot of women etc etc. and that there were found items in one or both of their houses which were stolen of hotelguests.... They were seen on video with some MBH students..If that`s all true, then imo the ALE had every reason to arest them, not b/c of their color but of their handlings...

Posted by: nana Author Profile Page at January 15, 2006 1:01 AM

All these suppositions and theories by posters or anyone for that matter, mean nothing and it still goes back to these 3 boys. WHY did they feel the need to lie and lie again??? This may be a part of an even bigger puzzle than we can ever care to imagine. I dont think people are covering up for the boys BUT I think the boys are covering up for some very "important" people there and as long as they do not squeal, they will forever be protected and the case will not be solved.

Posted by: sue at January 15, 2006 8:18 AM

Sue, I agree, the lies told by the three boys in the beginning are huge. It will be interesting to see what reponse you get, if any, from the posters here. Get Ready!! There had to be a reason for all their lies but as with everything else related to this case, will we ever know the truth? I too think the case is bigger than what meets the eye.

Posted by: jewels at January 15, 2006 11:43 AM

Hi Jim,
It is so strange, that I know what the next step is going to be. I find the case interesting because, like the Holloway/Twitty Inc. try to blame other cultures and in some way, from Canada I see this event so well. they try to impose themselves because they are US citizens. In the other hand we see that the US system is more corrupted that in a tiny Country. SOME citizens from US think that because we are in other countries, we have privileges or priorities.
In this case you can see the family well off that has been allow to confiscate personal articles from other citizens, make they shut their mouths, call for a boycott in a certain governmental level, rise funds, to move the FBI and other authorities at their will, misinformed the public, refuse to cooperate with authorities, take a jet and take off and land without being search, etc.
Now to go met kids and talk about their experience??? WOW. I can imagine Beth saying to the kids you know, my daughter went to a wild night, etc. Good example for a kid!!!
No one is telling you that you have to post, I believe that you see the fantastic researches that Harry is making us the favor to update every day and you feel like giving your opinion, but feel free. Neither I thing I will change the case with giving my opinion But I just like.

By the way Monsieur Harry,
Do you think there is some legal advice to try to spend some of the Fund? Maybe that is the reason Miller wants to go back.
Merci,
Antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at January 15, 2006 12:12 PM

@Sue and Jewels
Many of us feel that the lies of the boys were very little, mostly just covering for the embarressment of leaving an obstinant drunk girl on the beach alone.
As for the three boys "covering" for some big conspiracy, that does seem a tad bit "far-fetched". If the three boys held the answer to a great conspiracy, their lives would have been over long ago. JMO.

Posted by: "laced" at January 15, 2006 12:33 PM

@Jim,
I do heartily agree with Antionette.
Further, many of us have taken Aruba under our wings for various reasons. How can this tiny nation survive as Beth keeps playing the Pied Piper scene and gathering her flock against them?
This has NEVER been about Natalee; always about the Twittys and their powerful gathering. Well now we see who the powerful and mighty are, thanks to people with good sleuthing skills, on the various blogs that you put down. Yes some are complete rubbish, others have a good track record for researching and striving for the truth, and when you follow these you learn, and know who is trustworthy.
Some of us see a pattern, well, those of us that can look in from the "outside", how USA has reacted to many situations, and for those reasons follow the case. I see, anyway, how a great nation can use smaller nations, and then discard at will. Not a pretty sight. The MB crowd needs to be investigated. Their corrupt power and connections are out of hand.
Jim you used to have heartwarming "editorials", and now you lambast us continually. What is happening to you? Take a look on your doorstep for awhile.
I don't care about Dave's book or Beth's, for that matter. They can write all they want for all I care.I heard that bias many times; what I really want to hear is what the little person has to say, that is, Aruba, because they have been so unfairly cast for several months, and they, out of RESPECT, for a GREIVING family never once said anything untoward about the family. Now at least the truth is coming out.
Who else, as Antionette also mentioned, can private jet around, covering up? Have you noticed when the private jets choose to land in Aruba? Usually after such time when little attention will be given them!!! After midnight. When did Beth have her secret rendezvous at the North? end of the Island? After midnight! She wasn't going to look for Natalee IMHO, she NEVER has looked for Natalee! She skulked around the Island long after most people were asleep, and then publicly announces she fears for her life in BROAD DAYLIGHT in Aruba, while surrounded by her camera toting friends!
Yes Jim, there are many missing children, but I haven't heard a peep out of their families, and their families haven't tried to destroy another nation. That's what makes this so different for me.
Believe me, we have lives outside of this. I will be supporting another campaign soon, which is huge, but I will remain to have time, to support the Arubans as well.
If this column, and posters gives you so much unhapiness Jim, perhaps you should find something else to do, or take a good look at why you are so unhappy, because as for the rest of us, we will likely continue to do as we are doing, and being happy with it to boot.

Posted by: "laced" at January 15, 2006 1:15 PM

If the boys where covering something up, I would imagine that who ever they where covering for would lynch the three. Then The cover up would be final and everyone else would be happy the evil three where dead.

Posted by: busterhymen at January 15, 2006 2:27 PM

But why is it that alot of us heard from the beginning that those two sec.guards were really not that "clean" as some think they are? We heared that they were dealing, and were on the beach lots of time to sell drugs, that they stole items of hotelguests, that they were hassel alot of women etc etc. and that there were found items in one or both of their houses which were stolen of hotelguests.... They were seen on video with some MBH students..If that`s all true, then imo the ALE had every reason to arest them, not b/c of their color but of their handlings...

These two securities were arrested based on the case of Natalee Holloway. Never was there any specific report and or official information regarding your statements. I can assure you that those two securities were clean in all sense of words. Local authorities declined strongly that those two securities were questions regarding other criminal issues. I can imagine myself that most of the news and statements that you are posting are coming for a source that is not officially from the Police Force in Aruba neither the P.P.O. It is true that many US media hunt these two securities and created a lot of stories for ratings and nothing else. Do you remember the breaking news on CNN one night with the title "Aruban Confesion"???? Waww that guy from CNN was something. A little bit over one week he was replaced. Beth wasn't happy with that decision of CNN.

What amaze the most is the fact that a lot of you still make posting regarding Jossie Mansur and how important he might be. In general the community of Aruba do not approve neither suppport any statement done by Jossie on US networks. His credibility as a profesional journalist went to the drain when he was sentenced in the Court House of Aruba due to unfounded insults against the Aruban Prime Minister. Jossie Masnur had his visa revoked by the US Embassy station in Caracas Venezuela and also the family Mansur was mentioned in the Clinton Administration as one of the family that support moneylaundry and drugdealing in the Caribbean area. So please stop wasting your time and effort on such degradated human being.

regards,
Albert.

Posted by: Albert at January 15, 2006 2:32 PM

Previously stated, (won't mention your disgusting pseudo, but it figures along with your thoughts), J2K are not the evil three. The evil comes from within the arrogant sickos of Mountainbrook. It's just too bad that these "students" found a need to put their life journals on the Internet, which have been quickly retracted, however, but it has proven a good window into the the lives of a sick community. What do they tell their kids? How do they teach their kids? Not like Barenstain Bears, for sure. More like, "if you can't get out of it, we will cover for you".
Joran is only guilty of a little arrogance, and tending to his own needs, that is, going home to get some sleep so he can continue with his education. K2 have nothing to do with it. Natalee was drunk (by her own doing) and selfish in expecting Joran to give up his ideals for her. She couldn't help it though, as it is the way she was RAISED.

Posted by: "laced" at January 15, 2006 2:44 PM

Dear Albert:

Greta of Fox News interviewed members of the Aruban police force who arrested Mickey John at his home. Additionally, she interviewed Mickey John, after his release, in his home. In the interview with the police personnel, they commented on the history of Mickey John with blonde, female tourists. The police also mentioned discovering items belonging to the Kingdom of Mountain Brook teens in his room. I do not have a link to those airing; however, some of our posters, or posters from other blogs, may have them.

When Greta interviewed Mickey John, he admitted knowing why he was being arrested prior to being told. Also, in that interview, Mickey John described, unintentionally, how bodies could have been disposed of by immersing them into a molten bath ... cremation.

From another source, an Aruba resident (requested anonymity), we have a hint that one or both of the security guards were informants for the Aruban police and actually were part of the investigation. Naturally, this revelation, if accurate, and given the activities of the security guards, then the Aruban police have a good deal of information about the "unpublished" activities of the Kingdom of Mountain Brook teens.

Succinctly, either the security guards were suspected of something, or they were props for the police to be used against the three suspects. That has been my understanding of the role of the security guards.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 15, 2006 2:56 PM

Harry,
You are correct. Sorry I don't keep links to support your stance, but I do hope that George and a few others happen by, as they are well researched and have the appropriate links.

I was wondering about the "articles" the guards had in their possession? I don't recall these ever being explained and wondered if they had the worth of certain drugs?

Posted by: "laced" at January 15, 2006 3:17 PM

Sue, I agree, the lies told by the three boys in the beginning are huge. It will be interesting to see what reponse you get, if any, from the posters here. Get Ready!! There had to be a reason for all their lies but as with everything else related to this case, will we ever know the truth? I too think the case is bigger than what meets the eye.

Posted by: jewels
======================

Although initially I thought the lies might be to cover up something, over time as the case developed, I no longer think that this is why they lied. Joran's first meeting with the Twitty's was when they showed up with a whole group of people, including law enforcement, at his home at something like 3 in the morning. It was clear to him and his father that these people thought he had something to do with Natalee's disappearance; Beth even demanded that he give her back her daughter. It was apparent that they were all accusing him and he was in big trouble until she was found.

I don't think he knew where she was, that he assumed, since he and seen her drinking and partying during her trip and still on the night he left her, that she had taken off drunk or on some type of drugs, and that she would show up soon. He wanted to get them off is back and out looking for her, so he told them last he saw her he dropped her off at her motel. This was close to the truth if he left her at the beach close to her hotel. When they arrested him, and she had not yet shown up, he told them the truth about exactly where he did leave her in hopes that it might help find her. The rest of the lies seemed to be about little details and were under heavy interrogation, so I don't think there is that much meaning behind it. If he really did said maybe Deepak went back and rape and murder/bury her, then he was probably just guessing what may have happened, just like ever one else, and the interrogators probably suggested to him that this had happened and that he agreed that maybe it had. But I don't think he knows what happened to her. If he had not been locked up the whole time he may have been able to ask around and try and find out if people saw her or something, but he wasn't free so could do that.

This is why I think he lied. Not to cover up a crime, but to try to ensure that he wasn't railroaded. Again, I think he believed she would show up. He made to many comments to this effect that suggests that he believed this.

Posted by: shonane at January 15, 2006 3:47 PM

QUOTE: "June 16, 2005
…”Our plane touched down Friday evening, June 10, on the island of Aruba. As we approached the hotel where Natalee Holloway had stayed during her five-day vacation, yellow and white ribbons were evident everywhere. On June 5 the island had exhausted its supply of yellow ribbons, so white ribbons joined yellow ones on lampposts, street signs, and flagpoles. They were visible reminders of a tragic story that many island locals hoped would disappear…”

I do know for a fact that Julia Renfro and her friends PURCHASED all of the yellow ribbons for Natalee with their own money and when the Island ran out of Yellow, they bought white! Who ever wrote that article about Julia is sick! And it was CNN and AP who broke the news about "something bad happened and they are digging up the remains of Natalee and then, according to Beth Twitty herself, it was the FBI who informed "The Family" that Natalee was most likely dead and that, again, according to Twitty is when the family buried her. Where is Julia in this story other than holding Beth's hand in prayer for Natalee.

There must be something big coming up soon, so they need to discredit Renfro as a cruel person, so that their cruelness looks like a result of her cruelness.

Looks like it backfired!

Posted by: Gigi Ola at January 15, 2006 3:47 PM

simpleton: your rantings on the holloway case are most amusing

Posted by: ED ROGERS at January 15, 2006 4:40 PM

Dear Sue & jewels:

If we select lying as the bases for our judgements, we need to cite the lying ongoing, as we posts, by the cable news networks. Lying is a double-edged sword in this case. We cannot overlook the lying from one side of the investigation while condemning selected lies on the other side. Also, we have to include the collusion of silence from the Kingdom of Mountain Brook teens and their protectors/accomplices-after-the-fact. The amount of unfair reporting ongoing in this case baffles the imagination. Clearly, all that matters to Greta of Fox News, and the other two cable news hosts: Rita (MSNBC) and Nancy (CNN), is the indifferent lynching of the three systems.

However one adjudicates this investigation, clearly, Beth Twitty and the three Cable News Bimbos (CNBs) regulate all the information being presented to the American people. I consider this arrangement as the ugliest portrayal of American freedom of speech ever aired.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 15, 2006 4:58 PM

Ed Rogers:

Did you have someone in mind when you posted your missive? Or, did you just wake up after a long night in a cold sweat and report the content of the voices of the Bama goblins that haunted you in your nightmares?

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 15, 2006 5:08 PM


Albert from Aruba. Are you still tuned in? Can you clarify please? Will you be writing a book, and will it also be available in English, if you are? Thanx.

Posted by: "laced" at January 15, 2006 5:28 PM

The “Media Circus” goes on, and as nauseated as I am of commenting on this Mountain Brook “cottage Industry” that has sprung around the unfortunate disappearance of one Natalee Holloway (Who? All we hear now is about Beth, and Dave and his book, and Greta, Rita, and so on, and so on....) while she indulged with her mother’s blessings in a “Girl Gone Wild” bacchanalia brimming with booze (the “all you can drink” bracelet bought by Beth for her daughter as part of the package), drugs (ecstasy, according to some sources), and plentiful gonads (no comments), I feel compelled to clarify a few “misunderstandings” that the MB “Spinmasters” gleefully circulate, with the eager participation, and approval of all the “Jim Jones / Beth Twitty” poisoned Kool Aid drinking crowds!

Concerning my having been banned from other sites, which some have made an issue, and the statements made by some as to Dayo Gould being none other than Palus Van Der Sloot himself, with all deference, and asking forgiveness of Harry, for bringing this unpleasant subject concerning other sites up, I must simply state that when I referenced the sites I have been banned from, I was simply trying to illustrate, how in spite of my unchanging position on this matter from the very onset of this fiasco, and the numerous efforts I have made to inject some common sense, and some perspective into our perception of this Natalee Holloway fracas, it has always been met by those, on either side of the issue, that have gratuitously maligned me, with invective, scorn, and banning!

When I supported the right of Aruba to proceed in the handling of the investigation according to its Laws, irrespective of the demands placed upon it by the scandalmongering media, and that hungry for attention, media maven witch, Beth, I was banned for “bashing her!” When I responded to insidious comments made about Aruba, by some half-ass yahoos using a translation program, trying to impress the rest of us with their “ignorance” in other languages, given that I have the ability to speak several other languages which I happen to speak fluently, I was called a “Dutch Troll” and banned thereof! When I supported the suspects right to be “presumed innocent until proven guilty,” in the face of the overwhelming lack of evidence that even a crime was committed, I was banned for being a “Leftist, Internationalist ass (referring to the animal)!” When in turn, I chastised such as Dayo Gould for his uncalled for gratuitous attacks on America, all things American, President Bush and the Administration, under the pretext of this Holloway farce, I was then banned as a “Right-wing Nationalist pig” from TUS (were Membership is limited, just as if it was some sick, reverse, negative photographic image of Beth’s “Monkeys,” where they all sit around in their “members only” chat rooms, patting each other on the back for blindly agreeing with each other, in this case, with their beloved Dayo Gould!)!

The point is, that I have unwaveringly defended Aruba in this fiasco, and the right of the suspects to be “presumed innocent until proven guilty,” but by the same token, have defended America from all those like Dayo, who would gratuitously attack America, excusing themselves behind Beth’s behavior, and that of some ignorant Americans, such as that of the “Good ‘Ole Boys,” inbred Governors of some of our “Southern,” backwater, States, and your average poison laced “Kool Aid” drinkers!

It has been my impression from the very beginning, when Beth imposed her “TV Reality Show” upon the Van Der Sloots accompanied by Greta and her camera crew, that Paulus Van Der Sloot seems to be a mild mannered man, caught up by his son’s association that fateful, night with this missing, miscreant, Alabaman “Girl Gone Wild,” and her even “wilder” mother, in this nightmare!

Though I am sure his political views, and his perception of America, given all the vitriol he and his family have had to endure from the “lynch ‘em” Beth crowd, can not possibly be a positive one, Yet, I doubt that Paulus would express himself about America the way that Dayo Gould repeatedly has, and therefore can not fathom where in the heck is Patrick Hurley coming from to claim that the infamous Dayo Gould, and Paulus Van Der Sloot are one and the same person!

I do not believe this to be the case, though at this point in my life, I have experienced enough in my lifetime not to be surprised by anything!

All those who assiduously flooded my e-mail with messages while at TUS, have now, that I have been banned, grown silent... Alas, no doubt sucking up to the moderator, Hah! I have no illusions as to the mendacity of human nature. However, I do not believe Paulus to be Dayo, neither for the father of the suspect whose rights I have so unwaveringly defended, and whose Aruba I have always staunchly stood for, unlike many who have changed their minds, to have repaid me with so much ingratitude! I leave that kind of behavior to Beth and her bunch!!!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at January 15, 2006 6:42 PM

Althor,
I have seen Dayo, So he does not interferes with anyone way of thinking, So, Why are you so worry about?? Do not tell me that Beth is contagious and now you have a persecution delirium??? Bad sign.
Well I was banned also from Blogs for Natalee, So I do not make my life miserable, I looked for one blog that my opinion is appreciated and my doubts will be answer and that is it.
Have a wonderful day,
antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at January 15, 2006 7:04 PM

I have no persecution delirium. I believe my English was pretty crisp and clear. It should not warrant any further clarification. I'm sorry you misunderstood it.

Althor

Posted by: Althor at January 15, 2006 7:10 PM

MB kids have not been silent. stay tuned.

Posted by: jewels at January 15, 2006 10:49 PM

Dear Harry,

As per our record at our media, we can not recall any other investigation on the securities then the one of the dissapearance of Natalee.

Regarding the authorities to have informants and to go that far to arrest them as a set up will be no good choice. Bear in mind that they stayed for 10 days under police custody and the three teens has been arrested two days before the two securities has been released. And we did spoke many times with one of the lawyers and she was really upset with the arrest of the two securities. Another reason to believe that the securities were not informants is due to the fact that the National search was focus in the area of San Nicolaas. District were both of them lives.

Regards

Posted by: Albert at January 15, 2006 11:22 PM

Well seems Miller is back in Aruba and there is funds for the research.
http://www.texasequusearch.org/
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/14/tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-and-spoke-with-dompig
01/14/06 — Tim Miller has arrived safely in Aruba with Jim Whitaker. They are in the process of laying the ground work to prepare for an extensive search in the water. Tim has spoken with Chief Dompig and anticipates cooperation all the way around to conduct a search in the waters of Aruba.
bonne nuit,
Antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at January 15, 2006 11:22 PM

http://www.texasequusearch.org/
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/14/tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-and-spoke-with-dompig
01/14/06 — Tim Miller has arrived safely in Aruba with Jim Whitaker. They are in the process of laying the ground work to prepare for an extensive search in the water. Tim has spoken with Chief Dompig and anticipates cooperation all the way around to conduct a search in the waters of Aruba.

Posted by: antoinette at January 15, 2006 11:25 PM

Dear Albert:

Americans would not have knowledge of the content of your media. We receive all our information from our media or the blogs that tap into the English-speaking newspapers from Aruba.

What we received from our media was that two security guards were arrested. We do not have accurate knowledge that they were incarcerated for ten days. We have heard that they spent time in jail cells adjacent to the suspects and informed upon the conversations that they initiated with two of the suspects (a practice uncommon for criminals). Once the suspects confessed to having fabricated their initial story, the security guards were released. They read like informants to me. The only question would be the extent of the informant relationship with the Aruban police.

If they were informants, it is unlikely that the police would have investigated any of their other activities. Furthermore, it is common for most police organizations to employ deep-cover informants in the routine of their surveillance activities. Actually, the effectiveness of these deep-cover informants (if not police officers) might explain Aruba's low crime rate.

Lastly, lawyers could never be the an accurate measurement for justice. Recall, it was lawyers who approved the incarceration of the security guards. The search area could have been the result of leads received from the informants. They would be informants for the area in which they reside.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 12:02 AM

To All:

http://www.amigoe.com/english/index.html

Aruba takes the sixth place in the Caribbean top ten of the Orbitzer Insider Index.

Orbitz is an online travel organization. Orbitz offers the visitors airline tickets, accommodation, rental cars, cruises, and vacation arrangements. It uses over 455 airline companies, thousands of hotels and other locations to spend the night, and 16 car rental companies.

Apparently, Orbitz is not headquartered in Alabama, Arkansas or Georgia.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 12:14 AM

To All:

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=26746&name=How+Afghanistan+ledto+war+in+The+Hague

If Dutch troops go to Afghanistan, junior coalition party D66 may drag its ministers out of the Dutch government, causing it to collapse. We examine the latest political poker game in The Hague.

The long-running indecision about dispatching 1,200 troops to the south of Afghanistan is turning into a political poker game, with the fate of the Dutch government at stake.

D66 deputy Bert Bakker told magazine 'Elsevier' sending the troops could be a matter or life and death, militarily and politically. The centre-right coalition government will likely collapse if the mission goes ahead, he said.

Superficially, the doubts in the Netherlands centre on the dangers of the mission and fears that prisoners taken by Dutch troops may be executed by the Afghan authorities. Despite assurances on these issues, the opposition remains firm.

This has a lot to do with the trauma of Srebrenica, when a lightly-armed Dutch force - denied air support - surrendered the enclave to Serbian troops in 1995. The Serbs massacred up to 8,000 Muslim men and boys.

As this blog predicted, the D66 refusal could cause the collapse of the Dutch government over the deployment of these 1,200 troops.

Another issue surfaces with the idea that Aruban residents could become members of this 1,200-troop deployment. I wonder how they will interface with their American combatants-in-arms in Afghanistan.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 12:29 AM

Interesting comments Harry, specially the one about D66, and much more worthy of being discussed than the latest harangue on Greta, or Rita! Thanks!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at January 16, 2006 12:45 AM

Hi jewels,

I never for once thought the MB kids have been silent. I am glad you share the same view. I also feel that their interrogation has been kept highly confidential cause they are after something much more bigger than Joran or the Kalpoes.

Posted by: sue at January 16, 2006 3:51 AM

Harry, I doubt if Arubans will be part of the USAF mission of the Dutch in Afghanistan as they have a 'status aparte' within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Maybe some Surinams will be present in the mission.( but I feel you are kidding a bit (don't you?)).
As for Dave Holloway's book I doubt it will make the American bookstores very long when it is full of slander against the Van der Sloot and Kalpoe families. Paul van der Sloot knows how to do this (in Holland he suspended the constyruction of a road through nature territory for almost 20 year's, so he is a tough guy in matters of the law).
And I would be surprised if not already some top US lawyers are negotiating with the Van der Sloot to sue the Twitty's, Jossy Mansur, Fox and MSNBC for their slanderous disinformation campaigns. Their are millions to be earned by these US lawyers....

Posted by: Tjeerd at January 16, 2006 5:25 AM

Some actuel facts on Aruba from 'MF' on RWV:
The Boycott on the island Aruba has not been successful, (...)
Indeed Aruba has seen a smaller in crease in its tourism the last 6 months, compared to the first six months of 2005 where the increase per months was in the double digits.

Yet, you want to promote or like some of your colleagues spread false rumors and 'facts' about the island. THE OFFICIAL TOURISM NUMBER FOR THE LAST MONTHS HAS NOT YET BEEN RELEASED. You might scream cover-up again, but the reason is that the ATA department located at the airport has been working with lack on personell, and had even to use workers for other departments for a few weeks in order to help them out. It's a difficult job and the main information they gather is for the Department of Justice, and the Tourism Authorities uses these figure for their statistics. (...)
For those who did not know or were on purposely not informed, Aruba has now (since May 2005) over 500 rooms less, since a second hotel has closed down for renovation and upgrading to a 5 Star hotel. That is over 75.000 ROOMNIGHTS LESS FOR 2005! Don't say it's because of the stupid Boycott of a governor who is desperately looking for popularity.

The boycott might be working in keeping Southerners from Aruba, well, a small percentage though. But you live in fantasy world filled with cover-ups and conspiracies. You have to keep those thing in people minds to sell a book filled with fantasy too. It's how it works and we all knew that from the beginning.

Regarding being safe in Savannah, everybody will feel safe in their own environment, if it's so, STAY there. We all will stay happy.

Official Number for Aruba Crimes in 2005 is:

Murders: 6 (ALL SOLVED)
Suicide: 6
Robbery/Assault: 55
Crime against Morality: 30
Immoral Crimes: 8
Fatal Accidents considered crimes: 2 (When someone dies and the driver is under influence)
Missing persons case: 1

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/01/jennifer_ross_m.html#comments

Posted by: Tjeerd at January 16, 2006 5:54 AM

sorry for bad recap of 'actual facts on Aruba'

Posted by: Tjeerd at January 16, 2006 6:38 AM

Paul Reynolds' bride is, according RWV posters, Carla http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=278 .

Posted by: George at January 16, 2006 11:36 AM

Many informations lately regarding the visit of a Florida search team and the return of the "boycotter" Tim Miller. What I would like to ask is the following. As an Aruban, can I expect the search crew to do their job or is it simply a manner of keeping the Natalee storie alive. I can understand that many times Tim Miller went on t.v. and gave comments that we as Arubans don't even know about. Is he just creating a opportunity to do some marketing for his next funding campaign? Let's be serious about this. If I have a job to do that related to an investigation, why in this world would I go the US media to broadcast what I am going to do? does that make any sense???

Harry,
In our system LAWYERS do NOT approved any thing in our system. We do have a judicial system that works for two mayor reasons. 1. To investigate and prosecute anyone that committ a crime and or violate any of our laws. 2. To guarantee all involve in an investigation a fair trial. Lawyers are secundaary. They come in after the arrest is done. Bear in mind that we do NOT use any system of bailing. If you have to go to jail, you will go to jail. Lawyers can always bring a courtcase regarding the procedure of the arrest. However it is the Court to decide! No juries are used over here. The Courthouse rule the case. Their are many technicalities in our system and I do not want you to get confuse in this. The difference between the Dutch laws and the American laws are huge. also, the english newspaper that wrote a lot over this case is Aruba Today, and Julie Renfrew is the one in charge. She is an american and supported Beth and Jug to the utmost in the beginning of the case. It was till te boycott was called that Julie decided to pull away from the Twitties. She was providing Beth and Jug many informations regarding Aruba and unfortunately many of those informations were wrong. I remember that at a press conference at the police station local media's did get in arguement with some US media and Julie was clearly defending the interest of Beth.....She wanted to be important as a source however some things did work well for her. Further more she was instructed by the owners of that newspaper to chill off and let it go! Americans just learned the stories of Beth and Jossie and some of Julie. We as local media's don't go that far in investigations in Aruba. The tradition to let justice work is a basic prinicple and we don't see any further reason to continue with this story. We resent to the utmost how Aruba and it's people has been treated by the family and the US media. Meanwhile we can still watch many nasty comments about our island. The 100.000 plus persons that lives on the island didn't have anything to do with what could have gone wrong with Natalee. from the other side people like Jossie and Julie were the ones that did provide the US media with informations just to for them to be improtant. They are not improtant for us. We consider them as lousy reporters that took part in a campaign against Aruba. At least Julie regrets her part and is trying very hard to restore her image on the island. We forgive but we don't forget

Regards

Regards,

Posted by: Albert at January 16, 2006 11:46 AM

Dear TJeerd:

Thank you for the updates on Aruba tourism! It is always appreciated when actual, unadulterated figures are presented.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 11:57 AM

Jossy's own reporter interviewed Joran van der Sloot and denied any such statement. Jossy, for whatever reason, ignored his own reporter's statements and makes this outrageous allegation.

It is a fact that Jossie just want to stick on the US t.v. The more fabricated stories he brings forward the better for him. There is a alleged criminal image to be cleared. And he strongly believe that he can reach this this by supporting Beth and Jug. Harry, I can inform you that one of Jossie's reporter approach Beth one day and inform her that he knows for sure that Natalee is being moved from one point to the other. His name is Hubert Thiel. What was his porposal to Beth we don't know. Then to finish his obsession, he one day call a local radio station and said that he was chasing a car and Natalee was in that car. He later reported that he also saw how they pushed Natalee in a helicopter a took off. Wawwww, this reminds me of a cartoon story! Then I saw Jossie on t.v. talking about a fishtrap. Then again talking about Joran's intervieuw. Jossie most get back is visa that was revoked. He can't affort to be allowed in the US just for medical treatment. tommorow I will bring you the letter from the US embassy that still believes that Jossie is involved in illegal activities that might be harmfull to the US.

Posted by: Albert at January 16, 2006 12:04 PM

Dear Albert:

In response to your post on Julia Renfro, I cannot recall an instance where Julia Renfro had not portrayed Aruba and its people in a manner different from your descriptions.

Yes, she did assist Beth & Jug Twitty; however, my recollection of the disagreement between Julia and the Twittys came when Jug Twitty assaulted her. I believe the incident occurred when Julia would not retract declaring a phone call Beth had received ... a phone call crucial to the case that for whatever reason the Twittys were suppressing.

In my opinion, Julia has been fair in her reporting of the case and supportive of a grieving mother at the same time. I guess I am just uncertain why you are attacking her. She acted as a counterweight to the wild stories of Jossy Mansur and provided the only balance to the cable news network airing from Aruba. If it were not for Julia, you could only imagine the distorted picture Americans would have received.

Though Julia Renfro sat clearly on the side of the Twitty-Holloway camp, I feel indebted to her coverage of the case. I pray that the Arubans forgive her quickly.

As for your lawyer explanation, lawyers had to get involved in their incarceration for ten days. Some reason had to be presented to the court in order to keep the security guards confined for so long. That was the essence of my comment. At some time, a member of the prosecution, a lawyer, had to present something to the court in order to sustain the incarceration. Furthermore, whether publicized or not, I suspect the Aruban police interfaced with the prosecutor's office (lawyers), before they arrested any of the suspects in this case ... even if it were just for courtesy and an unnecessary concurrence.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 12:29 PM

Dear Albert:

I believe we are on the same page with respect to Jossy Mansur. Thee is no need to waste your time convincing me about Jossy Mansur. Our blog conducted an extensive expose on his family's activities. We are not convinced of Jossy's credibility.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 12:35 PM

Posted by: George at January 16, 2006 1:59 PM

This is amazing!! Not ONE of the people the Twitts are involved with have a decent track record! This speaks volumes of the corrupt life Queen Beth, and her followers.

Posted by: "laced" at January 16, 2006 2:12 PM

Dear George:

Great work! Bravo!

Theoretically, I suppose, John Kelly could represent Beth Twitty, if he is licensed to practice law in Alabama. It is my understanding though that generally out-of-state lawyers are out-sourced by law firms within the state for associate/assistant/consultant work in which the actual cases are handled (lead) by in-state attorneys. In this case, I suspect the law firm in which Thomas Twitty is associated may be the lead, legal representative. But, I believe, the representations of John Kelly, to be accpeted by the court, would require that he be actively credentialized in some state.

If I am not mistaken, John Q. Kelly has identified himself as the legal representative of Beth Twitty on the cable news networks. He must be basing his credentials on some other state in which he has maintained an active license ... California, perhaps.

Once again, Good Work, George!

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 2:14 PM

Dear Harry,

While I endorse your speculations as reasonable, my view of Twitty's associates in general suggests that more likely Mr. Kelly simply commits what some states call a crime of "unauthorized law practice".

Posted by: George at January 16, 2006 2:18 PM

http://portal.courts.state.ny.us/pls/portal30/INTERNETDB_DEV.INDIV_ATT.SHOW?p_arg_names=v_reg_num&p_arg_values=1713403 :
"JOHN QUINLAN KELLY
...
Registration Status: Delinquent"

Posted by: George at January 16, 2006 01:59 PM

This is amazing!! Not ONE of the people the Twitts are involved with have a decent track record! This speaks volumes of the corrupt life Queen Beth, and her followers.

Posted by: "laced" at January 16, 2006 02:12 PM


keep scraping the bottom of the barrel-goons!!! Better hurry and report this!!!!!

Posted by: ! at January 16, 2006 2:36 PM

"Who in their right mind would swim in the middle of the night in the OCEAN????(In a secluded area-apparently no one was there.... Drunk or not, not many...by themselves???"

At Natalee's age I did so.

Posted by: George at January 16, 2006 2:45 PM

Dear George:

I cannot imagine anyone believing that people do not swim at night in secluded areas that they believe are safe. They obviously do not live on islands or near the ocean. We have night swimmers crossing little bays, because they can focus on the illuminated landmarks for direction on the opposite shore. Swimming, by nature, is a personal venture.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 3:27 PM

"After the conversation the first thing that she did was to stand in front of a camera of FOX and gave details about the visit. Don't you think it was much better to run to the police station and give her statements. The FBI was here too, so never think that this investigation was done by our local police only."

Albert,

I suspect she did so as well. We are so far still uninformed about specific grounds for arrest of Paulus van der Sloot happened later on that very day. Since there was no other breakthrough news at that point, I suspect that these grounds were drawn from Beth's perjury.

"Find out for me why an marketing agent that used to work with the Aruban tourism authorities in New York arrived at the same hours as Beth to be their p.r. She flew in with the brother of Beth Twitty."

Carla Caccavale? His wife-to-be?

Looks like Paul began to court Carla immediately upon her winning a contract with Aruba Tourism Authority well before Natalee went to Aruba.

"I don't have any doubts and so does many people on the island, that this case is a big scam and nothing else."

Well, I have never [yet] been to Aruba, but proposed this back on August 10 (http://rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464 ).

Posted by: George at January 16, 2006 3:32 PM


! you were kicked off RWV, right? Why should I report a ja$% a%# like you? You usually fall at the wayside anyway!

Posted by: "laced" at January 16, 2006 6:44 PM

Carla Caccavale, one of the firm’s partners, will oversee the Aruba account. Caccavale serves as a member of the Caribbean Tourism Organization’s PR Council and supervises a number of the firm’s Caribbean accounts. Aruba holds a special place in her heart and the island’s stamp dominates her passport with nearly a dozen trips, both business and personal.

Her heart was so special for the dollars not for the people that lives here on the island. If you should know how Carla treated the our local press while she was in the Beth Camp. At the Holiday Inn she tried to disturb a local radio station to air a press conference called by Beth Twitty. That the day that Beth called the kalpoe Brothers for criminal. Thanks to this radio station that the lawyers of Kalpoe demanded a retification from Beth. I believe that most of the US citizens are well educated people. However a very small amount of other ones are damaging the image of the good ones. In Aruba we call them the Ugly Americans. Carla for sure is one of them!

Posted by: Albert at January 16, 2006 8:25 PM

Albert,

You got just in time. Just posted at

Posted by: fiery | Monday, January 16, 2006 at 07:57 PM

Posted by: fiery | Monday, January 16, 2006 at http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2006/01/390.html : "Ah, Albert. Ok that explains it. Albert is a pretty good guy, but he isn't always perfectly right about every thing. He is not so familar with the p/r people of the island. As far as I know, Carla did NOT arrive with Paul Reynolds
...
Posted by: Scubajap | Monday, January 16, 2006 at 08:05 PM"

Posted by: George at January 16, 2006 8:38 PM

Monsieur Harry,
is this fund other Fund to search for Nat??http://www.texasequusearch.org/
Now, Is this the reason Miller according to SM is in Aruba already. They arrived safe in Auba on jan, 14, 2006

Posted by: antoinette at January 16, 2006 9:33 PM

Mademoiselle Antoinette:

I will refrain from commenting on anything Tim Miller is doing in Aruba, because, in all frankness, I have no idea why he is there. In his mind, Tim Miller knows full-well that no fish trap was ever stolen. He knows that the search for Natalee Holloway is at a dead end. As for this deep trench adventure, I fear to make a stab at his reasons for undertaking such frivolousness.

I pass on Tim Miller.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 9:49 PM

To All:

This evening's editorial will discuss the search taking place in the sand dunes near the lighthouse. Julia Renfro has confirmed on Fox News that some 50 police officers and cadets were probing the sand dune with long poles today. What they were looking for was not revealed.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 16, 2006 11:39 PM

The only thing that is missing is the landing pad for the space ships.


UPDATED: 7:43 pm CST January 16, 2006

New Tip In Holloway Disappearance Begins New Searches

new lead in the Natalee Holloway disappearance has started a flurry of activity on the island of Aruba.

Beth Twitty, Holloway's mother, has confirmed reports that investigators are now acting on a new lead and searching the tip of the island near the lighthouse. The area is not far away from where Holloway was staying the night she disappeared.

Twitty said investigators began searching the Palm Beach area on the northern side of the island Monday morning and expect to work until Tuesday night.
"They've sectioned off areas of the sand dunes and this is warranted from an individual who has come forward with new information," said Twitty. "They evidently have been able to verify this witness is credible."

This new investigation is going on as members of the Texas-based Equusearch are negotiating for permission to bring in deep-water diving equipment to the island.
Twitty said Equusearch wants to explore deeper waters off the Aruban coast.

Since Holloway's disappearance in May, there has been speculation that if she was murdered, someone may have sunk her body.

The night that she disappeared, a fisherman reported his hut had been burglarized and a knife and fish trap were missing.

Holloway's family and friends said they need to rule out the possibility that her body has been hidden on the ocean floor.

This search begins after the Aruban police commissioner revealed last week that Holloway might be in a fish trap dropped in deep water.

Posted by: dayo gould at January 17, 2006 12:25 AM

Posted by: dayo gould at January 17, 2006 12:31 AM

To All:

Our editorial has been delayed. Here are my notes from Greta on Fox News:

Greta of Fox News interviewed Julia Renfro, via phone, who confirms that a new lead came in. She verified that some 50 uniformed officers and police cadets were probing the sand dunes with long poles near the lighthouse in a grid fashion. What the lead was or what the police were searching for remains unknown. Julia mentioned that the same area was last searched in October 2005. Police Chief Dompig was confirmed at the scene.

Tim Miller came on next, via phone, and confirmed that he met with Police Chief Dompig. He claims having received a green light to do his thing on the island. Tim expressed that he was pleased with the meeting, but he avoided any discussion of the details from the meeting. In closing his interview with Greta, Tim refers to this upcoming adventure in 1000 feet of water as the last effort of the case.

Beth Twitty comes on again expressing her gut feeling that the dunes, currently under probe, were a suspicious area. Her suspicions for Steve Croes gets revisited, because he had access to a boat. Lastly, Beth, reading from her fantasy diary, reveals that Joran's teacher stated that Joran described what he did to Natalee in his school the next day. When asked by Greta about whether or not the Aruban authorities investigated the comments of the teacher, Beth, once again, denies any knowledge of any investigation into the statements of the teacher. It seems all Beth knows is the words she wrote in her diary. Whether those words have any factualness to them is a mystery to her.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 17, 2006 1:23 AM

To All:

From our editorial on the Van der Sloot cases before the court.

You will have to suffer my limited translation ability.

http://www.cspnv.com/PDF/13/A13-01-2006.pdf

The Bon Dia Newspaper is reporting that Joran van der Sloot's lawyer, Antonia Carlo, is requesting documentation from the prosecution. From my limited translation ability of the romance languages (French), it appears what Attorney Carlo is requesting is the results of the manipulated tapes from the Dr. Phil Show, derived by the Dutch Forensic Institute (DFI). Attorney Carlo motions for a declaratory judgment from the court to have the Public Affairs Minister surrender a copy of those findings. Clearly, this request of the court has far reaching civil implications. It would appear that the foundation of lawsuit extravaganza is building in Aruba against the Dr. Phil Show. Some of our posters over the weekend have hinted about this development. Apparently, they were correct.

Another reason for the declaratory judgment request is to present the underhanded tactics employed against his client by the Twitty-Holloway camp and their associates in order to discredit them (all of them) as reliable witnesses for anything. I believe the very fact that the leading, accredited, forensic entity in the Kingdom of the Netherlands declares the tapes to have been manipulated should be sufficient grounds to extinguish all testimony, originating from any of the Twitty-Holloway camp and their purported gaggle of experts. The DFI's results constitute a shot-through-the-heart of the Twiity-Holloway camp's discrediting efforts concerning the suspects. With the DFI results in hand, Carlo might be able to sway the court into dismissing his client, and the Kalpoe Bothers, as a suspects entirely. One should be able to surmise the trajectory of Carlo's future, legal agenda from that point onward.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 17, 2006 1:30 AM

Harry,

It has been reported that a bloody sneaker like
the one Joran lost has been found.
I wonder if it's connected to the new information?

Scott

Posted by: Scott at January 17, 2006 1:38 AM

Hi Harry,

I have to question the timing of this new hot tip. Seems awful funny to me that it has occured when Tim Miller is there. I also wonder if Jossy Mansur is planting evidence again, or has paid someone to do it. What strikes me about this is that the area had been searched thoroughly many times and with search dogs also, if I recall. Isn't it around the light house area that the infamous Belt was found, hence prompted an intense search of the area. If suddenly they would find something there at this time, I would have a lot of questions in my mind of just how, when and who put it there. Although I know you really don't want to comment on Tim Miller, it is most unusual that every time he appears new leads, tips or evidence appears. I will leave it at that.

OOPs, sorry I do have another comment regarding Tim Miller, it would appear to me that he is milking this case to bring in donations for his organization. Every time they mention him on tv now they have to throw in the extra advertising that he is the one that has searched in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway case. And of course we all know that when he comes back from Aruba he will continue with the bashing of Aruba. Sorry this man doesn't go over well with me at all.

The Twitty/Holloways are milking this to the max to continue to drag it on forever and keep filling up their pockets. Now will start the radio advertisements of Dave Holloways book, tv appearances and the night before the book officially comes out Dave Holloway will be on Larry King. April 10. More Aruba bashing from this awful family. Beth Twitty will be on Dr. Phil on Thursday. How on Gods green earth does Dr. Phil have the nerve to have another program on this case after his skeeterization tapes? But one has to look at the timing of all this. Tim Miller arrives in Aruba on the 14th of Jan. Beth appears on the Lineup on the 14th and the 15th of Jan, new tip comes in on the 16th while Tim and crew are there and Beth appears on Greta on the 16th with her Journal of Lies. Beth appears on Dr. Phil on the 19th of Jan, plus I am sure this new hot tip will bring her more time on Greta this week. It appears all too "Orchestrated" to me, everything was dying down a little bit and now to revive it all this. Of course in the meantime over the weekend Beth's brother Paul Reynolds marries Carla.. Something indeed smells fishy here. Sorry I just don't trust that whole cast of characters with the Twitty/Holloway Circus. And the Mountain Brook teens are a highly suspicious bunch to me. My final analysis is that this whole thing has been far too Orchestrated from the very beginning, very suspicious...

Posted by: therose at January 17, 2006 2:26 AM



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