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January 5, 2006

HarryTho 1/05 Natalee Holloway Commentary

Topics: Natalee Holloway

For this evening's editorial, I thought I would address a few notions as to why the United States Secretary of State felt the need to travel to the Kingdom of Mountain Brook in order to clear the way for the Aruban authorities to interview the Mountain Brook teens. I believe, surprise at the entry of such a prominent diplomatic figure overcame us all to such an extent that we were dazed into not following up on the reason.

First on our agenda would be to ask how the Secretary of State got notified that there was a serious problem with interviewing the students in the Kingdom of Mountain Brook. There are two primary channels for such a notification emanating from either the FBI Office in Birmingham, AL or the US Consulate General in Willemstad, Curacao, NA.

If the sensitivity for the interviewing of the Mountain Brook students originated from FBI reports, then the Special Agent in Charge (SAC) of the Birmingham FBI Office would have contacted her superior who I believe would be the Southern Division Commander in Jackson, MS (might be another location).

Organization and Function Manual 9 FBI Structure and Investigative Jurisdiction

Investigative Jurisdiction of the FBI: The FBI's investigative authority is the broadest of all federal law enforcement agencies. Therefore, it has adopted a strategic approach which stresses long-term, complex investigations. The FBI's investigative philosophy also emphasizes close relations and information sharing with other federal, state, local and international law enforcement and intelligence agencies. A significant number of FBI investigations are conducted in concert with other law enforcement agencies or as part of joint task forces.

The FBI has divided its investigations into seven programs:

Applicant Matters
Civil Rights
Counterterrorism
Foreign Counterintelligence
Organized Crime/Drugs
Violent Crimes and Major Offenders
Financial Crime

These programs represent the FBI's responsibility as assigned by law. Individual cases in a particular program may receive extensive investigative attention because of their size, potential impact, or sensitivity.

The Southern Division Commander would evaluate the report from the Birmingham FBI Office and request guidance from the FBI Headquarters in Washington, DC (FBIHQ). Since the FBIHQ consists of a subordinate agency (division) under the Justice Department, it would have been obligated to notify the Attorney General of the United States of America, as Head of the US Department of Justice. The Attorney General would have met with senior members of State Department in order to brief the Secretary of State, appropriately.

One can just imagine the eggshell walking that went on as each hierarchal rung of the Justice Department was ascended. If the request came from the Birmingham FBI Office, clearly, the State Department and Alabama electoral elite got their ears bent back. I cannot imagine any SAC getting so frustrated with the Kingdom of Mountain Brook to embark on such a career threatening adventure. Although, Congressman Bacchus did seem quite compliant to the wishes of the Aruban delegation.

On the other hand, if the request come through the diplomatic channels. The Aruban government would have forwarded a diplomatic note to American Consulate General on Curacao. The Consul General (CG) would have prepared a brief for the US Ambassador to the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It would have been upon the US Ambassador to request assistance from the State Department. If this route were chosen, then I would suspect that many choice words (diplomatically, of course) were affixed to the letter from the Aruban government to the American Consulate General on Curacao.

US Department of State - Home Page

Despite these avenues of communication, when the request was received by the State Department, the Secretary of State decided that Her Excellency would tend to the matter personally. Why?

The Secretary of State of the United States of America travels to the Kingdom of Mountain Brook to persuade/negotiate with Beth Twitty in order to allow an audience with the Mountain Brook students. With a war ongoing in Afghanistan and Iraq, oil ultimatums in Venezuela, national disaster in New Orleans, people missing in the thousands, etc, our Secretary of State has to ameliorate the fiasco created by the Twitty-Holloway camp in order to allow the investigation into one missing teen to continue. How could Natalee Holloway be so important in order to attract such high-level attention? Something serious was raised!

Accordingly, for the Secretary of State to attend to this matter personally, I believe, a third route was utilized. In that route, the Aruban government pressed the foreign ministry of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

In my opinion, it was the Dutch Foreign Minister who called upon the US Secretary of State and pressed the undiplomatic nature of the Twitty-Holloway fiasco and the accompanying media circus, straining Dutch-American relations. Atonement was the message to the US State Department. Given that Secretary of State Rice requested the assistance of the Aruban Prime Minster early on in the case and the need for continued Dutch support in US Foreign Policy overseas, the Secretary of State felt obligated to address the matter personally.

That, also in my opinion, is how Secretary of State Rice got involved personally in the Kingdom of Mountain Brook.

On cable, Rita covered the cruise case, and it seems Greta is following her. There have been no announcements about airing anything on the Natalee Holloway case.

Aloha - Posted for HarryTho

Posted by Richard at January 5, 2006 10:04 PM

Now that is interesting. I thought C. Rice just went for a visit to her hometown and somehow Beth managed to meet her to promote support for her situation, perhaps the boycott agenda, and that is how it came about that they went to church together. (Did you know that churches are still pretty much segregated in Birmingham, Alabama? Not that it is really relevant, but it is a thought I had when I heard Beth was going to church with C Rice. Beth's church is most likely attended by people who are all Caucasian.)

Now here you provide insight that C Rice specifically went to B'ham with one of her purposes to meet with Beth. That never even occurred to me.

Posted by: shonane at January 5, 2006 11:51 PM

Dear shonane:

The entire background of the Natalee Holloway affair is littered with diplomatic notes from the Aruban government to the Ministry of Kingdom Relations and the Dutch Foreign Ministry, complaining about the abuse from the American media. After the Secretary of State traveled to the Kingdom of Mountain Brook, Her Excellency traveled to Aruba in order to convey, personally, the support of the United States to the Aruban government. Just imagine what diplomatic pressure was applied by the Dutch government in order to achieve this kind of a response from the #3 person in the most powerful nation in the world.

Secretary of State Rice's visit to the Kingdom of Mountain Brook was no elective detour. It constituted serious business.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 6, 2006 12:19 AM

I have learned a lot from your blog.

Wonder if C Rice has had any discussions with Alabama Governor Riley or the Az or Miss governor's re this. I have only heard the one press release announcement from Gov Riley of the boycott, then no more.

Posted by: shonane at January 6, 2006 1:35 AM

Another very pertinent column.

What you wrote tonight certainly makes sense and, while only time will tell if you are proven to be right, you had the conviction (and possibly the experience from your diplomatic days) to write what you believe is right.

Hard to disagree with your facts, and your suppositions are exceedingly sensible.

Posted by: Dayo Gould at January 6, 2006 1:55 AM

Harry:

this gets clearer every day........i now think the answer is in:
1-alabama
2-aruba
3-hollywood
4-holland
5-langley

:)

Posted by: chip at January 6, 2006 2:39 AM

Dear Harry,

I would like to do this following statement.
In the early stages of the investigations, Aruban authorities requested the presence of the FBI. They didi that for many reasons. First they did want to underestimate the case and second they wanted to have all posible assistance from the FBI. The FBI agents did take part in the investigations as advisors and they also did some pre-eliminary DNA and other technical investigations. Due to the distance between the Netherlands and Aruba, it was better to have a kind of compact criminal investigation lab on the island before sending any possible evidences to the Netherlands. FBI was the proper help for Aruba and they did help to the best of their ability. The FBI brought in search dogs and they did used them in several occasions. The FBI was the ones that suggested not to provide the Equusearch all kind of areas and informations because the Equusearch is not a legal judicial organisation. They can help however they can not be used as a legal evidence in case something was found. We know from proper resources here in Aruba, that many problem arise ones the investigation team, the FBI and the Dutch Experts ceased to give out informations. The media circuss was disturbing to the investigation and most of the time they created their own stories. As member of the local media here in Aruba I could say that the local investigators was impressed with the input of the FBI. I spoke with mr. Dompig as a good friend of mine, and he always compliments the FBI. They were great and helpfull, and we will always be thankfull for that. The storie change when Beth and Jug came in and pretend to be their own FBi and DNA experts. Many stupd comments on t.v. and press conferences in order to high pressure the P.P. office for more informations. Lets be real. Nowhere in this modern world does any investigation team give out confidential informations specially not to someone that is constantly being chased by the media and that also gives out all informations. Beth never wanted to accpet that she was giving out all infromations. I saw her in the lobby of the Holiday Inn Hotel instucting the US media where to go and do. I mean let's be realistic nobody that that is going to the most terrible time of his/her life will give attention to the media. They will be better off staying away from it in order to solve the case. Today there is a lot of questions and remarks about the FBI. I don't know your procedures in the US, but I can clearly say this. The FBI was on Aruba and they did all they can to help, and for that we are the utmost gratefull.

Posted by: Albert at January 6, 2006 7:57 AM

HOW COME THE PRESS DOES NOT SHOW NATALIE'S HOMES? IN ANY OTHER CASE YOU ALWAYS SEE WERE THEY LIVED!!!1, J2K have changes there stories, they were confronted by this group, and thought Natalie would turn up (no crime) just immature for living her alone on a beach and going home plus they were also drinking. I think they didn’t want to tell the Gang from MB that they had sex with her (thinking back what good would that have been at the time).
2. Why has the Hollaway-Twitty group changed their stories so many times?
3. Why has the media (Hollaway-Twitty) allowed them to get away with this?
4. Any story that comes out that makes J2K . look guilty the press & TH let play out as long as possible and then when its proven False they forget about it, even when they no its false right away (example the pick up truck they said dumped the body, they new the licenses plate they got matched the pick-up exactly BUT THEY KNEW within hours the pick-up was nowhere near the dump) but they ran with this rumor for over a week. The same thing with the Tape from the beach, and much more.
5. The police chief said they are guilty and most of the defense attorneys on Greta’s show say well they are guilty but when the judges (many of them) say there is no evidence ,they are covering up for a Dutch kid. DOES ANYONE really believe that all these people in Aruba, Holland & the Nederland would risk everything to help someone who rapes, murders& and kidnaps young Aruba and tourist girls? The press also knew PVS was not a judge from day one But still call him one

Posted by: rib at January 6, 2006 9:23 AM

Condi's visit to Alabama could have been better had she moved a few states over to check out hurrican damage. She was a little lacking in that department, but so was her bosses. She is getting ready to run for President I believe. It was all a pr move to keep the conservatives in the south happy.

Posted by: JimmyJon at January 6, 2006 9:28 AM

Natalee's home in Birmingham has been shown many times by the media. It is a brick, ranch style home. Joran and the brothers admittedly lied in the beginning. While that is not a crime, it certainly says something about their character. We will never ever know the course this investigation would have taken if they had only told the truth on May 31!

Posted by: jewel at January 6, 2006 9:43 AM

Puh-lease! If I hear one more idiot spout off about hurricane response I'll scream. If you think the MSM has been selective and played loose with the facts in the Holloway case then multiply that shame by hundreds.

If you've not ever lived through one then please spare us all from the woulda-shoulda-coulda stuff. If you haven't lived through one you can have no honest idea of the aftermath, particularly if you rely on the MSM to educate you. Having just been hit smack dead on by three hurricanes within about a 12 month period (two of them only three weeks apart)I know from whence I speak. Suffice it to say all you armchair generals who parrot the stuff you've heard from the MSM are fools.

Posted by: dithers at January 6, 2006 10:03 AM

Jewel:I can understand J2k lying about were they left her, but that a long way from being a rapists and murderer. WE know the Hollaway- Twittys have maid up all sort of nonsense. JVS had enough CHARACETER to become an Honor Student. Have no criminal record!
Maybe if they knew how serious this was and told the truth it would have been different at least for HIM! Natalie would have been some young girl who maybe for lack of CHARACETER hung out at casinos, got stoned, danced on the bar got laid by someone she did not know on a beach stay there and was never was found ! WOW THAT COULD BE THE WHOLE STORY!

Posted by: rib at January 6, 2006 10:22 AM

Hi Harry and everyone else!
Jewel, I have seen almost every media report and I have NEVER seen her home, NEVER so just because you say "Natalee's home in Birmingham has been shown many times by the media" doesn't make it so. Yes, Greta did a program where she "allegedly" spoke inside the home and Baba WaWa "allegedly" showed "the kid's room" but noone has shown the block or the neighborhood or even a frame of the exterior of the house. If you would like to send me to a link and prove me wrong I would be quite happy to admit if I am.
Harry, it is interesting that there could have been or maybe was almost an "international incident" over this entire debacle.
In my book, when "the head honcho" has to "do the job" something is not right, somewhere. Also keep wondering about this whole situation. Why is this case of such notoriety? Also, Harry why does it seem as though they have ceased looking for her completely? Perhaps all you have written is absolutely on target. Someone must know something because the americans have ceased going to Aruba to "search". You were then correct in drawing your conclusion that the letter was authentic. Also, since you have been "under attack" it would seem that someone, somewhere is not happy with the logical conclusions you have been drawing. Perhaps you have "hit the nail on the head".

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at January 6, 2006 10:58 AM

I remembering seeing the house from the street in the beginning. I beleive I heard on Old Woman's show on ABC that they showed her bedroom. I would not watch the show, but heard about it from the boards.

Posted by: Lisa11011 at January 6, 2006 11:52 AM

5. The police chief said they are guilty and most of the defense attorneys on Greta’s show say well they are guilty but when the judges (many of them) say there is no evidence ,they are covering up for a Dutch kid.

Wawww...whoever post this comment I would like them to bring me the recording and or video of the police chief that said that the boys are guilty. So many bla bla bla from Beth really create the impression that Aruba is covering up. That hurts! Because of the fact that no police officer neither the police chief and the public prosecuters office can decide or comment if someone is guilty yes or no. Just like in the US "Innocent till proven guilty". I repeat over and over again, I am from Aruba and under the Dutch laws and judicial system no information is allowed to go the media. The US media created their own stories just to maintain their ratings. Beth and Jug promised to bring up evidences and proofs and till the day of today none of them did. They didn't bring in anything for the investigators, the FBI or the Dutch experts. Neither did they bring in anything for all the talkshows they assisited. Dr. Phill edited a video and was caught in a lie. So, I preffered that you just keep on track with the reality and not with the showbizz stuff that you have seen so far. I rememember many gossips and rumors regarding the case. All of them came from Beth, Jug or the US media that wanted the attention. We don't want and don't need that type of attention. In Aruba we are well educated people, with a humble heart that did all we can for the family and relatives of Natalee. Never did we express our comments neither our feelings in the first months of the investigations. Many US media gave the opportunity to Beth and Jug to harrass, discredit, boycott etc etc the island of Aruba, buit none of them was able and fair to look at what Aruba did. We can sleep well at night because wqe know that our judicial system, did the utmost in this case. Maybe more then any president could have done for a US citizen. So just to remind you there was quiet a lot of FBI agent in Aruba and none of them did ever made a official statement that Aruba did manipulate in the investigation. If the US lawyers had their opinion is base on what Beth brought forward and they seems to be lousy lawyers because a good lawyer always look and investigate both side of the medal.

Posted by: Albert at January 6, 2006 12:29 PM

Monsieur Harry as Little Bo Peep said, “you have hit the nail on the head". Is has been fantastic the researches and the comments from all. Albert is great that you are giving us the Aruban side.
For me it was hard to believe what Beth was saying, BUT now is harder to understand what her purposes are. I may include the whole Twitty/Holloway INC, Ltée.
I am aware of the millions that they have been getting in all the different accounts. Seems no very much expense made. However, there must be a reason that they want to get Natalee out from Aruba?
1.-I thought about the insurance money
2.- Make an agreement (financial) with the government to keep quiet.
3.- keep on pretending they are looking for Natalee and pretend they are spending the money from the accounts.
**Every thing comes back to $$$.
In the other hand if I will be US citizen , I will be upset knowing that my taxes are been wasted in a crazy situation. So I imagine Twitty/Holloways are worst than … …. That Mrs. Rice had to go negotiate with them. I wonder Why Mrs. Rice did not contact the Lawyer?????
antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at January 6, 2006 12:51 PM

Little Bo Peep, http://www.geocities.com/mlazyv/images/TwittyHome.jpg ; the Natalee's bedroom though, to the best of my knowledge, has never been shown.

Albert,

You may find transcript links at discussion boards that were previously referred here, but if only purpose is to verify whether Dompig said on US TV that "he thinks the boys are guilty ... of something", you can as well do it locally, since Antonio Carlo has filed the respective papers in court. Nevertheless, I can say that I SURE AM guilty of SOMEthing, and clearly US TV-watchers tend "grasping too much" from such statements.

Posted by: George at January 6, 2006 12:57 PM

5. The police chief said they are guilty and most of the defense attorneys on Greta’s show say well they are guilty but when the judges (many of them) say there is no evidence ,they are covering up for a Dutch kid.

Wawww...whoever post this comment I would like them to bring me the recording and or video of the police chief that said that the boys are guilty.

Posted by: Albert at January 6, 2006 12:29 PM

Albert, Dompig stated in that Vanity Fair interview not long ago that he thought or knew that the boys were guilty. Since then he has been gagged through a complaint filed to a judge by Joran Van Der Sloot's lawyer and isn't allowed to talk to the press in regards to the case.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at January 6, 2006 1:22 PM

Harry:

Thanks for the great piece, very, very interesting. I could not figure out where the clout came from to get Condi Rice to MB, never thought it was from the other direction becuase all we hear on the news is Aruba messed up, so this really makes a lot of sense.

Do you still believe that the letter/dna/fingerprints has been authenticated and that something is going to break soon??

Thanks again and keep us posted. Moey

Posted by: moey at January 6, 2006 1:55 PM

Dear Albert:

I know that you are being protective towards the FBI. It is in your nature to be so kind. Undoubtedly, there were many improvements in the case that the FBI provided in Aruba.

My comments were related to the manner in which the FBI offices in Birmingham, AL, Atlanta, GA and Little Rock, AR laid down (not stood down) when their respective governors issued calls for boycott. As FBI offices, they act as entry ports for the United States Department of Justice in that, these offices should have alerted these states that they were encroaching upon matters of sovereignty. Second, I believe that the early investigations into 120 high school students were politically-interfered with, if not completely derailed, by the affluent group in the Kingdom of Mountain Brook (affectionately referred to as the "Fab 7"). Had the affluent group of the Kingdom of Mountain Brook not interfered, the Aruban investigative team would have had ample leads and declarations to determine, early on, the whereabouts of Natalee Holloway. My second concern strikes at the lack of courage in their convictions of our FBI to be thwarted so easily by politicians.

Thank you for your concern for our FBI.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 6, 2006 2:02 PM

@jewel,
Natalee's home in Birmingham has been shown many times by the media. It is a brick, ranch style home.
Jewel, You were going to show us some pictures maybe in one you have her house???
THX
Antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at January 6, 2006 2:21 PM

To All:

The most probably issue that the Dutch Foreign Ministry brought to our Secretary of State's attention was the D66 (political group in the Dutch Parliament) motion to withhold some 1,000 Dutch troops, scheduled for deployment into the Persian Theater this year (2006). We did a piece back on 25 November 2005 in our postings under Natalee Holloway: Politics:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/11/natalee_hollowa_26.php

"The article 'practically screams' that the use of another 1,000 or so Dutch troops in Afghanistan or Iraq would be in jeopardy, given the negative actions by the USA with respect to Aruba. The Dutch parliamnet was under seige over the motion to send another 1,000 troops in support of the campaign in the Middle East."

We reserved a few other editorials, thereafter, into identifying many of the players in opposition to sending Dutch troops to the Persian Theater.

Our sentiments now resemble those we held in November 2005. If we have allies willing to bleed for us, we dare not insult them. If we choose to insult them, then we should be prepared to bleed in their place. Accordingly, it would only be fitting, if the Dutch withhold these 1,000 troops that the states of Alabama, Arkansas and Georgia, in that order, be prepared to send replacement troops, and fill their lines when openings occur, from their districts.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 6, 2006 2:33 PM

Dear Harry,

That's exactly what I am trying to bring forward. We receive inormations that the Governor of Alabama issue a statement and or made a remark that the students and the chapparones are not to be touch. I know that this case is based on political issue back in Alabama and the Twitties do have influence on the governor. This has to do with moeny that has been injected in the governor's campaign. Since the end of June I receive a copy of a Bill O'Reilly Show, and that recordering you can clearly hear the statement of one guy that came up as representative of the chapparones where he was lying that the FBI told or instructed the chapparones not to come forward and speak. Bill insisted for the sake of public relations and for the good of the investigations and emphasize that that gentleman was lying. I can not recall the gentleman's name. Some guy named Jeff that is a radiotalkshow host in Alabama.
Almost at the end of that intervieuw he admitted that the the family of Natalee instructed the chapparones and no other students to talk. Harry, the reason we apraise the work of the FBI is to illustrate that we did the utmost best in Aruba and on a fair basis. If back in Alabama and or other part of the US, FBI is manipulated how or when to work then it is the sole discretion and responsability of those politicians. We can not accept that our judicial system is being insulted as corrupted, and that our investigators and police force is covering up. I wish that all the ones that are visiting and commenting on this block can understand that this case has not been solved due to the lack of cooperation of Beth and Jug and to the infuence of political decisions back in Alabama. With this I hope that no more fingers are to be pointed in our direction, but to go the Governor's office and question his interference. Think for a while, our Prime Minister spoke with Jug and Beth on several occasions. He instructed the local authorities to provide all the necesary cooperation to the FBI. Beth and Jug walks out from that meeting and call a conference and insulted the Prime Minister. Since thenm we knew that Beth and Jug was against the precence of the FBI. They were scared to death that the investigation was heading to Alabama. I know that because Jug once did a statement that the FBI does not have juristriction in Aruba so they better back to their office. Nobody ever put attention on this. As a good investigators you will have to read between the lines over and over so you can put the puzzle together. And right now the cornerstones are back in Alabama and nobody can reach them. I believe that Jug, Beth and the Governor himself has something to hide and god knows what.

Bless you all.

Posted by: Albert at January 6, 2006 4:47 PM

Albert, Dompig stated in that Vanity Fair interview not long ago that he thought or knew that the boys were guilty. Since then he has been gagged through a complaint filed to a judge by Joran Van Der Sloot's lawyer and isn't allowed to talk to the press in regards to the case.

Bring me the copy and I will go to Dompig's office first thing in Monday morning. It's only 10 minutes drive from my office.
Albert

Posted by: Albert at January 6, 2006 4:50 PM

Albert, how do I bring you the copy?

Posted by: George at January 6, 2006 5:05 PM

This is only a piece of nosy trivia so forgive me if it seems over the top but since there seems to be some talk about the Twitty's house today - I see their neighbor's house is listed on Realtor.com for $705k (5 br/5 ba.) From the pic of the Twitty's house I see from the link here and the pic of the neighbors house on Realtor.com it seems such a nice neighborhood where life would be swell. It's sad to think of all the heartache that dwells behind the doors. And no matter what one's opinion of any of the players or facts - there is most certainly heartache to be found in some way, shape or form here.

Posted by: dithers at January 6, 2006 5:30 PM

Natalee's bedroom was shown on a video Ian held at political teen.
She had a single bed against a wall. On a dresser were large figurines of the wizard of oz, and something else "fairytale" like. The room was small and very tidy. Her dufel bag sat on a mat by the bed, waiting for her. She had whitish bed linens and white fluffy shams.

Posted by: laced at January 6, 2006 6:03 PM

Perhaps the Netherlands could encourage J2K to be reinterviewed? Why reinterview the MB kids when J2K declined?

Posted by: iwabwu at January 6, 2006 6:45 PM

Posted by: rib at January 6, 2006 10:22 AM
Posted by: rib at January 6, 2006 09:23 AM
Posted by: Albert at January 6, 2006 12:29 PM

My response is to address things in all of these posts. http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_212475.shtml

"Carlo said prosecutors introduced two allegations of a "sexual nature" against van der Sloot. He declined to provide further details but insisted they were not new. "We don't consider them new circumstances," he said."

What are these two allegations against van der Sloot? Were these ever resolved? Lack of evidence? Still pending? Expunged at 18? Many 18 years old have no records in the US as their records are 'expunged' when they reach 18. It is their second chance. JMHO

Can you offer some comment on this late September article from the National Enquirer?

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326

What kind of character is demonstrated by the young man in this article?


Posted by: iwabwu at January 6, 2006 7:00 PM

Dear dithers:

Maybe you could ask the realtor listed on the neighbor's For Sale sign why they are selling? We might get a surprising response!

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 6, 2006 7:56 PM

DOES ANYONE really believe that all these people in Aruba, Holland & the Nederland would risk everything to help someone who rapes, murders& and kidnaps young Aruba and tourist girls? The press also knew PVS was not a judge from day one But still call him one

Posted by: rib at January 6, 2006 8:08 PM

Dear iwabwu:

First, did you actually believe that I bothered to read something like the National Enquirer?

Second, I must admit that your post about the Kingdom of the Netherlands encouraging Joran to be re-interviewed was enlightening. You are absolutely right. Why should the Kingdom of Mountain Brook teens agree to be interviewed, if Joran with 116 days of wrongful incarceration behind me refused to be re-interviewed? Maybe we need to incarcerate, rightly or wrongly, the 120 or so Kingdom of Mountain Brook teens for 116 days, before we bother to interview them. I am sure the "fair & balanced" American news media would concur with me.

What do you think? Let us just drag the Kingdom of Mountain Brook teens in. In a 116 days, we can tell them how sorry we were and commence questioning them ... unless they desire to confess earlier. If they don't know anything ... and a 116 days in a Dutch jail will tell us that for certain ... we can allow them to continue lives being harassed by the downscale newspaper types.

Think of it: we can liken the incarceration to an old Alabama tactic when times were whiter.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 6, 2006 8:15 PM

I will agree on that with you Harry. Tit for tat.Let them all know how nice it is in Kia for 116 days.

Posted by: laced at January 6, 2006 8:55 PM

antoinette and little bo peep, I really am surprised with all your attention/expertise to this case you have not seen pictures of Twitty home. Come on Harry, vouch for me, pictures have been around for quite awhile, shown very early on... large yellow ribbon on mailbox, brick ranch style home. Appears to be very well maintained,pretty front yard, but nothing fancy. Sorry, can't provide any links, not that anybody would listen to me anyway.

Posted by: jewels at January 6, 2006 9:16 PM

Dear jewels:

The only pictures of the Beth Twitty's home that I can recall were aired during a Greta Fox News interview in which Greta got a mini-, select- tour of Beth's home. I believe all I saw was two rooms in their home. They were comfortable room that one would expect in the home of an affluent family.

Having said that, I was never that interested in Natalee's home. However, I was struck by the fact that Beth denied Greta access to Natalee's room. Also, there were no pictures of Natalee anywhere in the home that Greta aired on her show.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 6, 2006 9:29 PM

I too was never interested in Twitty home..only remember different media channels showing the outside only in the early days. After you mentioned the Greta interview that took place inside the home, I do remember the room where said interview took place...it looked almost cleared out for the interview and you are right, there were no pictures of any children shown on camera...perhaps all intentionally removed...don't know. Harry, any news on when MB teens will be re questioned? Do you think that will ever really happen? What are the proper steps that have to be taken for re-questioning to occur? Also, what are your opinions on the "mis-statements" of Mr Cohen regarding the requestioning of Joran and the brothers?

Posted by: jewels at January 6, 2006 9:58 PM

Wrongfully accused and jailed for 116 days???
Justice was only partially served ...What does it matter now anyway? He is free to come and go as he pleases and a family suffers a terrible loss because of a corrupt legal system and a bunch of BS served on the side.Wow! That was one hell of a graduation trip....

Posted by: Raven52 at January 6, 2006 10:30 PM

Barbara Walters had the winning bid for the televised showing of the bedroom of Natalee! I didn't watch it because to me it is an invasion of privacy. Boohoo, Greta. She missed out.

Why does nobody accept that Natalee could have left the island in a boat, just like Mansur's gardener and the jogger - a convicted murderer, released from jail after doing his time just before Natalee landed on the island?

Posted by: Friend at January 6, 2006 10:33 PM

Why does nobody accept that Natalee could have left the island in a boat, just like Mansur's gardener and the jogger - a convicted murderer, released from jail after doing his time just before Natalee landed on the island?

right..and no one is gonna squeal for a million dollar reward, if that were the case???If she left by boat, oh yeah I forgot she is pregnant..but NO ONE has seen her(doctor, father of child)


Posted by: Raven52 at January 6, 2006 11:07 PM

Dear jewels:

I tried to respond earlier, but the blog or my computer is doing some funny things, and I lost the response.

First, Steve Cohen's miss-statements can be attributed to a communication breakdown and the possession of a non-legal background.

Second, the steps for questioning the Kingdom of Mountain Brook teens involves some initial diplomatic maneuvering in which, if required, the Dutch Foreign Ministry requests the FBI to perform the interviews via instructions from the State and the Justice Department.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 6, 2006 11:26 PM

Dear Raven:

If you bother to peruse our blog, we have answered many, if not all, of your concerns.

Welcome!

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 7, 2006 1:30 AM

Wrongfully accused and jailed for 116 days???
Justice was only partially served ...What does it matter now anyway? He is free to come and go as he pleases and a family suffers a terrible loss because of a corrupt legal system and a bunch of BS served on the side.Wow! That was one hell of a graduation trip....

Why does nobody accept that Natalee could have left the island in a boat, just like Mansur's gardener and the jogger - a convicted murderer, released from jail after doing his time just before Natalee landed on the island?


right..and no one is gonna squeal for a million dollar reward, if that were the case???If she left by boat, oh yeah I forgot she is pregnant..but NO ONE has seen her(doctor, father of child)

Dear Raven, you seems to be confused or corrupted by the stories of Beth. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Posted by: Albert at January 7, 2006 2:06 AM

George,
I will dare to give you my e-mail....I don't care! And my adress in Aruba

Posted by: Albert at January 7, 2006 2:08 AM

Can you offer some comment on this late September article from the National Enquirer?

Excuse me! I thought you are intelligent enough to discuss something with sense and not reading National Enquirer...please!

Posted by: Albert at January 7, 2006 2:11 AM

Dear Friend:

We dedicated an entire editorial to a sailboat ride off Aruba, as an escape route for Natalee. Just go back a month or so in our archives, and you should find it.

with Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 7, 2006 3:09 AM

To all:

As we all get older we do tend to forget what it is like to be 17. Take a trip down memory lane, and imagine you are 17, slipped out of the house, went to C&C, picked up a girl, went for a drive, then were dropped off at the beach, offered to see the girl back to her hotel, she refused and said she wanted to stay there all night. You say okay, and go home, get up go to school, and find out that girl is missing. You think okay she strayed off somewhere and will come back soon, you don't want your Dad to know you left the house that night, so you just say I dropped her off at the hotel. A small lie so you don't get in trouble with your Dad, seemed so simple, then BAM, it turns out the girl doesn't come back. The Twitty possee ends up at your parents door at 3 a.m. yelling obsenities at your parents, they go looking for you. They don't ask you where you went that night, they just push Natalee's photo in your face and say DON'T tell me you don't know her because people saw you with her. Beth Twitty looks at you with hate in her heart and yells I want my daughter and I want her now. Gee, what would you do? You have to explain to your Dad first what you did and when, your simple easy white lie, came back to haunt you and you wind up in jail for 116 days. Now you have the Twitty/Holloway possee appearing on tv daily and running around Aruba accusing you of Murder, Rape and Kidnapping. Beth Twitty the great investigator harassing your Mom and Dad, investigators harassing your friends at work, etc. Media all over the place. Joe M sending death threats to you and your family. And through all this you really don't know what happened to this girl. One could certainly say you learned a valuable lesson. Who can honestly say at 17, they never told a lie to their parents?

Now seven months later, this fiasco is still going on and Beth Twitty is hauling in millions in the Natalee Holloway Trust Fund, having her co workers donate their sick days so she can still draw a paycheck, having the MB kids doing bake sales, etc, to pay for her house payment, buying her son a new Toyota Tundra truck, Jug getting a new Harley, Jug and his brother managing the trust fund so Beth can draw a paycheck from it for her lecture tours, and travel expenses, Beth going on Geraldo's yacht, Beth taking a ski trip to Utah over New Years holiday, MB kids still not being questioned. The rumored letter that Natalee is alive in the US, of which they dismiss because they want it dismissed. Beth calling for boycotts, and still calling the boys murderers, rapists, etc, and calling Aruba and the Dutch corrupt, etc. Bethie still being given tv time to spread her lies, and producing her Journal of Lies. Now keep in mind, that Joran at 17 would be more forgiven for telling this little white lie, due to his youth, but how forgivable, is Beth, Jug's, Dave's, Skeeters, Dr. Phil's, Jossy Mansur's, TJ Wards, Harold Copus, Clint Van Zant, Greta Van Susteren, Rita Cosby, Nancy Grace, Dan Abrams, Joe Scarborough.s and the rest of the media talking head lawyers, as grown up adults for telling all these blatant lies to the American public for this whole seven months, plus the unforgivable bahavior they have displayed to the Aruban people.

And then tell me just why the boys should be requestioned before the Mountain Brook students ever get questioned. Rumors have it that 3 Mountain Brook kids know where Natalee is, and 2 of them saw her back at the Holiday Inn after Joran left her. So exactly who needs to be questioned first? The boys who have already been interrogated and jailed, Joran who has already been interrogated and jailed for 116 days, or the Mountain Brook kids who swiftly left the Island not to even return to help search for Natalee. Doesn't anyone think that is strange, that not even her step cousins the Twitty Twins or her best friends came back to help search for her. Should not the Twitty/Holloway family be looked into and what the family relationship really was like back home in Mountain Brook, or shouldn't her computer have been looked into, or what about her camera, didn't she take pictures?

It looks to me like the ALE has done a very thorough job in Aruba, but the FBI in Birmingham, has done just what Harry said they did and laid down on the job. FBI helped in Aruba, but not the Birmingham FBI. So just where is the botched investigation? To me it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that it is in Birmingham, and in Mountain Brook.

Albert, and any other Arubans reading this, keep on telling us like it is, there are a lot of us, that is keeping up the fight for your Island. We need your input to help us... If you read this far, thanks all...

BRING THE INVESTIGATION TO MOUNTAIN BROOK FOR ANSWERS...

Posted by: therose at January 7, 2006 3:10 AM

Raven52 read Posted by: therose at January 7, 2006 03:10 AM. jordan was in jailed for his graduation trip....

Posted by: rib at January 7, 2006 5:41 AM

Bravo Therose,

Is really strange , Have you ever gone to read the blogs for Natalee ??? People is brain wash.
So, I imagine is the same with the Kingdom of Mountain Brook, they hide the truth.
They are part of a church, so in a small town where everybody knows each other.
They believe on the priest or pastor, the doctor and the pharmacist.
Only problem that this time they tried to blame the wrong people, and now the problem is going back to the Right responsible people.
antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at January 7, 2006 10:47 AM

Bring me the copy and I will go to Dompig's office first thing in Monday morning. It's only 10 minutes drive from my office.
Albert



Albert - it's common knowledge that Dompig has been gagged by a judge for stating in that Vanity Fair interview that he thought the three boys were guilty. Order a back issue if you don't believe me.

There are also many links to partial transcripts of the interview as well as media reports as to why he was gagged for saying this.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at January 7, 2006 11:26 AM

Albert, the full VF article is available at http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/060102roco01 .

I still did not receive your e-mail (mine is known to HyScience and many commenters and you could also pm at any discussion board).

Posted by: George at January 7, 2006 1:12 PM

"many links to partial transcripts of the interview as well as media reports"

Jim, perhaps you could post some.

Posted by: George at January 7, 2006 1:15 PM

Dear Albert,

Did you see the letters published in an Aruban newspaper, from an American, not too long ago? What is your opinion of their content?

Friend
______________

Dear Harry,

You are a voice of reason in the wilderness. I live on a friendly island and know that the quickest way to leave is by boat. Why are some so afraid to consider that possibility for Natalee when I do it every day?

Friend

Posted by: Friend at January 7, 2006 2:39 PM

Dear Friend:

One of the reasons is that the most likely boats for such adventures would be fastboats. Since these are the same boats of interests for traffickers, there is exists a stigma associated with them. Some of our past editorials identified some of the owners of these boats. Fastboats are like speak-easies during prohibition: everybody knows about them, but few people openly discuss them. Smilingly, any water transportation off Aruba was vehemently denied as plausible by Jossy Mansur (American media's Aruba guru).

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 8, 2006 1:55 AM

"many links to partial transcripts of the interview as well as media reports"

Jim, perhaps you could post some.

Posted by: George at January 7, 2006 01:15 PM



George, I'm sorry but I don't take this case seriously enough to save links. I've seen them and clicked on them in the past and that's as far as it goes. I don't have time to take a huge interest in this "case", saving links and articles etc, filing them away like a detective. The best I can do is remember what I have read.

As far as I'm concerned, this isn't a missing person's case anymore. It seems obvious that it's become a media and PR war involving the southern states and Aruba. Nothing more. The clock is ticking here and this will all be over in the near future (16 months). It's easy to see that there is nothing more the Arubans can do to solve this case. Let the media go with this. Let Beth Twitty go on and on as well. It solves nothing. It's tough to take an interest in this anymore. It's become inane.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at January 8, 2006 12:06 PM

Dear Mr. Harry,

Combine Jossy's smiles with the many smiling denials that there is any life left in Natalee, starting less than 2 weeks after her last known location, and it doesn't look good. We know for a fact that Josito Mansur is very familiar with fastboats.

Friend

Posted by: Friend at January 8, 2006 3:03 PM

To All:

http://www.deserttelevision.com/Global/story.asp?S=4330610

"... Beth Twitty told us she was shocked at the information she just received from her lawyer. Aruban authorities have apparently decided to close the investigation into the disappearance of her daughter."

Reads like it is over!

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at January 8, 2006 4:15 PM

Considering the source of this info regarding Aruba's decision to officialy close the case, Beth Twitty's mouth, I don't believe it. I'll believe it when I see it from a more reliable source.

If in fact the Aruban's DO close this case, it will in fact be Beth Twitty's fault. I think the ALE and the Island of Aruba have put up with much much more than they should have for the last 7 months or more.

I for one am hoping this is true for it's painfully obvious that the ALE has done it's work and can go no further with it. Why in the world should they have to continue to endure what Beth Twitty is putting them through?

The case be re-opened with new evidence and if the ALE is really going to close this thing up for now, I think it's in the hopes that Beth's personal hatred and degradation will stop. Unfortunately though, Beth Twitty will never stop. In fact, if the case does become closed, I think this will just refuel the American media, as well as Beth, and we will just witness more flying garbage for months to come.

There's only one way to stop this mess. Beth Twitty needs to be stopped.

I really do hope though that what was said is true. Closing this case will put the cap on the fact that Aruba is running this investigation and no-one else.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at January 8, 2006 4:54 PM

Harry posted:

http://www.deserttelevision.com/Global/story.asp?S=4330610

""... Beth Twitty told us she was shocked at the information she just received from her lawyer. Aruban authorities have apparently decided to close the investigation into the disappearance of her daughter."

Yet here is Texas Equusearch trying to go back to Aruba.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/113662917916560.xml&coll=2

"...Search for teen could resume
2 dive teams seek return to Aruba
Saturday, January 07, 2006
HANNAH WOLFSON
News staff writer
Two search teams that helped hunt for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway hope to return to Aruba soon for another look..."

You'd think that HMI's PR people would at least talk to TES's PR people.

Dompig does not seem anxious to see Equusearch.

Posted by: dayo gould at January 8, 2006 6:34 PM

Dear friends,

Jossy Mansur (American media's Aruba guru). wawwww what a title for someone that has his visa revoked to enter the US by the US Immigration station in Aruba and by the US Embassy station in Caracas, Venezuela. Conspirarcy to moneylaundry was the main reason. Two familymemebrs of the Mansur were extradicted to San Juan Puerto Rico and jailed for many months. This is the type of people you believe is a "guru"? Yes he is, specially in manipulating all informations in order to attack the judicial system of the Dutch Kingdom. Everybody in Aruba knows that Jossie is nothing else a chancetaker. He did that in the Natalee case. He saw a opportunity to allied himself with Beth and Jug. He was introduced in Aruba to Greta and some CNN producer so he could appear on Nancy Grace shows. He managed to get in contact thru Beth with some officials in the US and recieved a type of dispensation so he can enter the US last year under excuses of medical treatment. Jossie was the one that created the gardener, the jogger and the so called fishingcannaster of the size of Natalee. Cannaster is made by chicken wires and thrown in the sea to catch fishes. Jossie's reporters created the helicopter story that took off while Natalee was screaming for help and it is Jossie's reporters that created the car chase story when Natalee was being moved from one place to the other by her kidnapper, Do you americans really believe he is a guru or a big clown that makes the crowd believe in his tricks. You are better off reading the Book of Harry Potter then listen to Jossie...believe me folks.
Diario and Jossie was part of the most spectacular news during the Natalee case, and they are the ones that helped jeopardise most of the investigation too together with Beth and Jug. As an Aruban I feel very sad for the ones that believe in Jossie's stories. A criminal case can never be closed till after twelve years. If the investgation team was narrowed down I can herewith confirm you that. No case can be close before it's experation date settled by the law. Ask Beth to come to Aruba and you will hear again for sure if the case is closed or not.

Albert.

Posted by: Albert at January 8, 2006 6:35 PM



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