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December 24, 2005

HarryTho Friday Night 12/23 Natalee Holloway Commentary

Topics: Natalee Holloway

[Posted today, Saturday, apologies to all for not getting this out last night]

As a reminder, unless some earth-shattering news becomes available, we will be suspending the evening editorials for the Christmas holidays. We shall resume our editorials on the Tuesday 27th of December 2005.

This evening, I will like to revisit the wondrous innovations in criminal investigative techniques introduced in the case of Natalee Holloway. These innovations warrant special mention for the way they marveled us and left us in awe.

First, we have the cadaver dog, an animal trained to detect the scent of rotting flesh, even deep underground. A dog's sense of smell is some two hundred fold that of humans. Two-hundred-fold is a number unimaginable to our human experience. Yet, those numbers, with their probing ability, were brought into this case. We witnessed from our living room, dogs alerting to dead matter deep in the bottom of quarries filled with water. We watched other dogs alert to discarded body fluids buried deep within landfills. The entire island of Aruba was probed by these specialized animals. As Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch reported: "We have searched the entire island of Aruba..." (or words to that effect). I believe him. When you employ sensitivities two-hundred times our own, with penetrating possibilities, I cannot image anything going undetected on the island of Aruba by these cadaver dogs.

Second, we have sideband sonar that enable the searchers to scan, with broad scope, the entire seascape off the island of Aruba. I find it difficult that anything the size of a body or an encasement for a body could have escape detection from one of these devices. Many days were spent off shore, employing these devices. When suspicious detections were located, divers were sent down to investigate. I believe that it is safe to assume that the entire ocean floor abutting Aruba was searched.

Third, as a backup to the sideband sonar probes, fighter jets from the Kingdom of the Netherlands flew infrared photography passes and mapped the land and sea floor on and off Aruba. The infrared capability enabled the searchers to detect objects (even human) sheltered in the depths or underground.

Fourth, as a backup to the sideband sonar and the jets, a novel bone detection device was employed. This device purported to be able to detect human bone tissue underwater. Interestingly, after the sideband sonar and the jets failed, the bone detector alarmed on an area off the coast off the Holiday Inn. Divers went out to search, but nothing of importance was discovered.

Fifth, a psychic was brought in. She confirmed, via her psychic powers to "body-cap," that Joran van der Sloot had killed Natalee Holloway. She even went on to say that Paulus van der Sloot assisted with the disposal of Natalee's body in an area known for fast decomposition. Unfortunately, her psychic powers could not locate the exact place where Natalee was buried.

Sixth, we have a renowned thoughtprint specialist who purported to be able to uncover thoughtprints from a person's writing. Thoughtprints are like fingerprints that people leave behind when they write or talk. These thoughtprints can be deciphered and interpreted by those persons skilled in the art. This thoughtprint specialist was provided a sample of Joran's writing, obtained during the interrogations. To the best of my knowledge, no results were ever released.

Forensic Thoughtprints - forensic profiling, profiler, understanding the criminal mind

Seventh, we have a renowned polygraph expert who employed the latest in state-of-the-art polygraphing and conversation taping. He found some success with a landfill vagrant who mistook a palm tree for Natalee Holloway's body. Unfortunately, he fell a little short in his novel attempts to extract the truth from the tools of the trade of his profession.

Eighth, we have a series of voice analysts with devices designed to record changes in voice patterns. Some devices and interpretive schemes are more sophisticated than others. Nonetheless, these analysts purported to be able to decipher voice patterns and reveal their hidden meanings.

From the foregoing, we have two results that seem to repeat over and over: Joran killed Natalee, and Natalee's body cannot be located. The preponderance of the results would seem confirmatory.

In reality, when the experimental data results are juxtaposed to the efforts of the Aruban investigators, we discover a few anomalies. First, could a 17-18-year-old island boy outsmart some of the best interrogators in the world? If a 17-year-old island boy killed Natalee, he should be easy to crack, and it should be no problem to find her body. Neither result has been the case. What we have for certain is that we have no body! All methods of detection and search have failed. Accordingly, if Natalee Holloway is dead, her body is not on the island of Aruba or lying on the ocean floor off its coast. I believe the preponderance of search results cannot be overlooked.

Lastly, we have the avant-garde search techniques confirming that Joran killed her. Are these renowned avant-garde experts incorrect? Are we able to discredit the confirmations of psychics and voice analysts? Are we able to explain why some of the best interrogators in the world are unable to acquire a confession from a 17-year-old? Of course, we can explain it. We are not all from the Kingdom of Mountain Brook.

Moving on to the New York Daily News, we discover that Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi supports the movement calling to boycott Aruba.

New York Daily News - Boroughs - Clem Richardson's Spotlight on Great People: Covering the Caribbean beat

In the same breath, the Amigoe Newspaer reports that the American Parma Group from Houston, TX just bought out 51% of the Banco di Caribe of Curacao. The Bank of the Netherlands Antilles (central bank) has approved the sale and the appointment of Bank of America's Steven Graybill (American) as the new Chairman of the Board of the Banco di Caribe.

Amigoe.com

The new Board of Directors (RvC) consists of big names. Other than Ansary, who is chairman of the Parma Group and has close ties with the republican party of President George Bush, the members are: Jack Kemp, former American member of Congress and vice-president candidate; Frank Carlucci, chairman-emeritus of the Carlyle Group; John Macomber, former chairman of the United States Export Import Bank and manager of Lehman Brothers; Hassan Ali Mehren, former chairman of the Economic Advisors of the Aruban government; James Crystal, chairman of Frank Crystal & Co., one of the biggest insurance brokers in the US.

Comment: Apparently, these individuals must have missed the word about the Alabama boycott. Do you suppose that they failed to get the concurrence from the Kingdom of Mountain Brook?

Merry Christmas to you all!

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Posted by Richard at December 24, 2005 12:49 PM

I really enjoy your writing style.

Posted by: katy Author Profile Page at December 24, 2005 3:20 PM

You know, it's funny!

Beth, and the Twitty camp have repeatedly told us or implied that the Aruban search teams were "inept", and a bunch of "fumblers", and the reason nothing was being found, was because Aruban authorities were too "dumb", and “incompetent" to properly conduct the searches.


That is why the Twittys went ahead and brought in their own people: all these search teams, volunteers, and experts from the States, who, I suppose by inference, they consider more "perspicacious", and of "superior intelligence" to “assist” them in their search for Natalee.

Now it turns out that the Twitty search teams, and volunteers have increasingly been using such “sophisticated disciplines”, or “specialized advanced hi-tech equipment”in their endeavors such as: “psychic sleuthing”, “soothsaying”, “dowsing rods”, “oracular coffee pots” (which is also said to brew a mean cup of coffee!), "mysterious boxes” reputedly capable of locating human remains in 180 feet of water, from 200 yards away on the shore (I’m sure the Navy would be interested in that one!), and other similar paraphernalia!

Now, don't get me wrong, but I do have to say this much on behalf of the Aruban search teams: As "inept," "dumb," "fumbling," and "incompetent" as they may be, at least they use the “scientific method.”

Every bit of garbage found in Aruba by these same searchers, and volunteers, is immediately hailed by the Twittys, and “hyped” by their media friends, as a “crucial bit of evidence that will break the case.”

I would be daunted if I was Joran’s Lawyer!!! With that huge mound of garbage at the landfill where they are searching, do you know how much evidence the Twittys will claim to have against Joran???

Of course, upon close scrutiny, they all invariably turn out to be nothing more nor less than pieces of garbage! So it was with the "missing shoe", the “hair on the tape,” and now the “belt” fiascos!

Not only that, but now they are fighting, and bickering amongst each other, and one group has even threatened to sue the other over accusations of who was responsible for unleashing all of the following havoc, and fracas all over the island:

One of the groups disturbed a flock of nesting egrets while draining a pond, which they over-flooded again, when a bunch of their attendant “embedded reporters” accidentally broke a water main while clambering over it for a view. The water main was fixed, the pond was drained once more. But the reporters clambered over the water main once again, and broke it a second time flooding back the pond!

A park ranger accused a Texas volunteer group of destroying a nest of endangered sea turtle eggs while searching on a beach, a charge the group denied. Environmentalists photographed the cracked eggs. The Texas volunteer group said that the photographs were staged. The ranger later also stopped another search team member from riding over another nesting area on an all-terrain vehicle! Edith van der Wal, secretary of the island's sea turtle foundation said: "In all these years we never had any man-made destruction, much less one of this magnitude!"

A group of mostly middle-aged men from Texas, with large waistlines held an emergency press conference to announce they would appreciate some free food. Later another group from Florida accused the Texans of overindulging at local bars, and failing to do a professional job, as they had spent the day eating and getting drunk!

Now, to any impartial observer witnessing all this “mayhem” of “crackpots” taking place in Aruba, wouldn’t all these antics by Beth, “Jughead”, and their “menagerie” seem like an incredible “joke” worthy of a Marx Brothers’ film, or of the Three Stooges?

I think Mr. Green has a point!

Althor


You know, it's funny!

Beth, and the Twitty camp have repeatedly told us or implied that the Aruban search teams were "inept", and a bunch of "fumblers", and the reason nothing was being found, was because Aruban authorities were too "dumb", and “incompetent" to properly conduct the searches.


That is why the Twittys went ahead and brought in their own people: all these search teams, volunteers, and experts from the States, who, I suppose by inference, they consider more "perspicacious", and of "superior intelligence" to “assist” them in their search for Natalee.

Now it turns out that the Twitty search teams, and volunteers have increasingly been using such “sophisticated disciplines”, or “specialized advanced hi-tech equipment”in their endeavors such as: “psychic sleuthing”, “soothsaying”, “dowsing rods”, “oracular coffee pots” (which is also said to brew a mean cup of coffee!), "mysterious boxes” reputedly capable of locating human remains in 180 feet of water, from 200 yards away on the shore (I’m sure the Navy would be interested in that one!), and other similar paraphernalia!

Now, don't get me wrong, but I do have to say this much on behalf of the Aruban search teams: As "inept," "dumb," "fumbling," and "incompetent" as they may be, at least they use the “scientific method.”

Every bit of garbage found in Aruba by these same searchers, and volunteers, is immediately hailed by the Twittys, and “hyped” by their media friends, as a “crucial bit of evidence that will break the case.”

I would be daunted if I was Joran’s Lawyer!!! With that huge mound of garbage at the landfill where they are searching, do you know how much evidence the Twittys will claim to have against Joran???

Of course, upon close scrutiny, they all invariably turn out to be nothing more nor less than pieces of garbage! So it was with the "missing shoe", the “hair on the tape,” and now the “belt” fiascos!

Not only that, but now they are fighting, and bickering amongst each other, and one group has even threatened to sue the other over accusations of who was responsible for unleashing all of the following havoc, and fracas all over the island:

One of the groups disturbed a flock of nesting egrets while draining a pond, which they over-flooded again, when a bunch of their attendant “embedded reporters” accidentally broke a water main while clambering over it for a view. The water main was fixed, the pond was drained once more. But the reporters clambered over the water main once again, and broke it a second time flooding back the pond!

A park ranger accused a Texas volunteer group of destroying a nest of endangered sea turtle eggs while searching on a beach, a charge the group denied. Environmentalists photographed the cracked eggs. The Texas volunteer group said that the photographs were staged. The ranger later also stopped another search team member from riding over another nesting area on an all-terrain vehicle! Edith van der Wal, secretary of the island's sea turtle foundation said: "In all these years we never had any man-made destruction, much less one of this magnitude!"

A group of mostly middle-aged men from Texas, with large waistlines held an emergency press conference to announce they would appreciate some free food. Later another group from Florida accused the Texans of overindulging at local bars, and failing to do a professional job, as they had spent the day eating and getting drunk!

Now, to any impartial observer witnessing all this “mayhem” of “crackpots” taking place in Aruba, wouldn’t all these antics by Beth, “Jughead”, and their “menagerie” seem like an incredible “joke” worthy of a Marx Brothers’ film, or of the Three Stooges?

I think Mr. Green has a point!

Althor


You know, it's funny!

Beth, and the Twitty camp have repeatedly told us or implied that the Aruban search teams were "inept", and a bunch of "fumblers", and the reason nothing was being found, was because Aruban authorities were too "dumb", and “incompetent" to properly conduct the searches.


That is why the Twittys went ahead and brought in their own people: all these search teams, volunteers, and experts from the States, who, I suppose by inference, they consider more "perspicacious", and of "superior intelligence" to “assist” them in their search for Natalee.

Now it turns out that the Twitty search teams, and volunteers have increasingly been using such “sophisticated disciplines”, or “specialized advanced hi-tech equipment”in their endeavors such as: “psychic sleuthing”, “soothsaying”, “dowsing rods”, “oracular coffee pots” (which is also said to brew a mean cup of coffee!), "mysterious boxes” reputedly capable of locating human remains in 180 feet of water, from 200 yards away on the shore (I’m sure the Navy would be interested in that one!), and other similar paraphernalia!

Now, don't get me wrong, but I do have to say this much on behalf of the Aruban search teams: As "inept," "dumb," "fumbling," and "incompetent" as they may be, at least they use the “scientific method.”

Every bit of garbage found in Aruba by these same searchers, and volunteers, is immediately hailed by the Twittys, and “hyped” by their media friends, as a “crucial bit of evidence that will break the case.”

I would be daunted if I was Joran’s Lawyer!!! With that huge mound of garbage at the landfill where they are searching, do you know how much evidence the Twittys will claim to have against Joran???

Of course, upon close scrutiny, they all invariably turn out to be nothing more nor less than pieces of garbage! So it was with the "missing shoe", the “hair on the tape,” and now the “belt” fiascos!

Not only that, but now they are fighting, and bickering amongst each other, and one group has even threatened to sue the other over accusations of who was responsible for unleashing all of the following havoc, and fracas all over the island:

One of the groups disturbed a flock of nesting egrets while draining a pond, which they over-flooded again, when a bunch of their attendant “embedded reporters” accidentally broke a water main while clambering over it for a view. The water main was fixed, the pond was drained once more. But the reporters clambered over the water main once again, and broke it a second time flooding back the pond!

A park ranger accused a Texas volunteer group of destroying a nest of endangered sea turtle eggs while searching on a beach, a charge the group denied. Environmentalists photographed the cracked eggs. The Texas volunteer group said that the photographs were staged. The ranger later also stopped another search team member from riding over another nesting area on an all-terrain vehicle! Edith van der Wal, secretary of the island's sea turtle foundation said: "In all these years we never had any man-made destruction, much less one of this magnitude!"

A group of mostly middle-aged men from Texas, with large waistlines held an emergency press conference to announce they would appreciate some free food. Later another group from Florida accused the Texans of overindulging at local bars, and failing to do a professional job, as they had spent the day eating and getting drunk!

Now, to any impartial observer witnessing all this “mayhem” of “crackpots” taking place in Aruba, wouldn’t all these antics by Beth, “Jughead”, and their “menagerie” seem like an incredible “joke” worthy of a Marx Brothers’ film, or of the Three Stooges?

Then again, Groucho would have never stooped so low; after all, he was a Jew!

Althor


Posted by: Althor at December 24, 2005 5:48 PM

Yes, this article is truthfully funny. I have thought about all those things a long time ago, but unfortunately we do not have a thinking media.

Somehow, they really want to find a body, hang the three suspects and find glory and ratings in sweet revenge.

Normally, there is nothing funny in missing people, but this story is beyond belief. Someday Hollywood will make lots of money of this insane story.

Just think, we have sex, apparent rape, drugs, alcohol, searching stinky landfills, stupid psychics (I do not necessarily discount all psychics, some do a good job, but hired psychics by Beth are just stupid), we have crazy teenagers, and then we have Beth and her gang and some crazy governors who want to be reelected and think that a boycott of Aruba will give them the shoe in. And of course, there is so much more. This entire episode is too good to be true.

I wonder how they will portray, Greta, Rita, Nancy, and Abrams in the movie?

Since it is Christmas Eve and there won't be any post until the 27th maybe some more people can post comments to keep us entertained. Unfortunately, it is also sad that we spend so much time on this insane story while there are real people being killed daily in wars and otherwise.

I do not know if Natalee will appear with a baby, or be found in a sex slave ring or whatever but I am sure that she is not dead. I am just wondering how everyone will spin this.

Have a Merry Christmas (Holiday) everyone.

Posted by: Inge Hanson at December 24, 2005 6:55 PM

It was on a saturday morning that I was called by a guy named Toni. He's a cameraman of the an American t.v. that was on Aruba. Toni wanted me to be at the Holiday Inn pier in order to meet Tim Miller. He's the director of the Texas Equusearch. On my arrival I was intorduced to Tim Miller who requested me a long list of items and materials for his search group. The reason I was called is because Aruba was in the very beginning stage of a political campaign and I manage to know most of the Ministers and even have the personal cellular numbers. I spoke to Tim, and it was difficult for me to believe that a supposed profesional search group didn't even had batteries. I brought Tim Miller to the Hyatt Regency where I introduice him to the Minister of Justice who was having a meeting with two Dutch journalist. Together with some other contacts we manage to get two divers boats. One of them was that of the Search And Rescue Team in Aruba and the other one was of a local divers company. Now comes the funniest part of mr. Miller. He showed me a list of things that they needed and he also requested me to approach the Prime Minister so they can change their motel to a better one. Miller's team was staying at the Stauffer Hotel right in front of the Allegro Occidental Beach Resort. He was very upset because noobody knew that they were coming to Aruba. Only Beth and Jug was informed about their arrival. They arrived the friday night before I met Tim Miller on the Holiday Inn pier. They didin't have breakfast and they didn't have any transportation. Only some cash to survive the first couple of days. I saw mr. Dave Holloway on the pier but he was busy with some intervieuws. The crew of mr. Miller was also providing some ionfo's to the the U.S. media. Miller insisted that the government of Aruba and the tourim authorities had to pay for a better lodging. I asked him which he hotel might suites his needs he inmediately answer the Radisson Resort. Radisson is a full five star resort and considered to be one of the most expensive one on Aruba. I still wonder how in this flecking world did Tim Miller knew that Radisson would comply with his needs if he just arrived the night before and never did he took a tour in the resort. My point is this. Many of the volunteers that arrived in Auba wanted to stay at the best hotel on account of the Aruban people. Beth and Jug left the Holiday and went straight to the Marriot. Five up to 7 times more expensive then Holiday Inn. On the night that CNN and Fox aired a breaking news of the "Aruban Confession", Beth was trying to instruct the search team to be at several points of interest before the authorities arrived. Later on the authorities denied that any confessions was made. I was close to this investigation and I can assure you that I saw better equipments and more profesional search groups. No one arrived on Aruba to do a job without the necesary materials. I am a good friend of many Ministers and potential people in Aruba. And I can reaffirm you that one one morning sitting at a terrace restaurant my friend was approach by a representative of Beth who was requesting donations.
One former FBI agent question Tim Miller on CNN regarding the cadaver dogs and he was darn right. Try to find some pictures of the cadaver dogs used by the FBI and the ones by Tim Miller. You will see the difference. Merry X-mas everybody.

Posted by: albert at December 25, 2005 12:02 AM

Dear Albert:

Thanks for the details on the early stages of the search, and the demands placed upon the Aruban people by the Twitty-Holloway camp and their associates.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 25, 2005 12:39 AM

Dear Albert and Harry,

Some early research regarding Tim Miller and his organization is archived at e.g. http://rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-122.html . I would also like to invite Albert to take a look at the discussion board http://p073.ezboard.com/ftheunusualsuspectsfrm7

Posted by: George at December 25, 2005 1:02 AM

Harry, that was an excellent post. It is truly amazing the antics that have gone on about this whole case.
I wonder if the bloggers who refuse to see facts are really paid as some say. After reading your article one might think that this is probably so and with Albert's comments it really does seem more likely than not. How sad is that? For what purpose would this be being done? What is the motivation? What would make someone do this?

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 25, 2005 5:57 AM

Dear George:

Thank you for the links. I often read the discussions at The Bushy Haired Stranger. This particular link to Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch presents some rather extravagant notions. First, I believe, we can rationalize that Texas EquuSearch did not spend $100,000.000.00 searching for Natalee. The IRS questions deduce to a simple nonprofit filing matter. As for the find ratio, I suspect that Tim Miller may need permission to post the names of people that he found. Whether he found that many people or not may be of concern to some people, but Tim Miller and his squad do show up to assist people when asked. As far as I am concerned, the dogs have the potential for discovering dead bodies if so trained. Whether Tim's dogs: Chip, Rudy and Ruger are top quality cadaver dogs, I could not say.

The unusual suspects site seems to have some advanced information. The question becomes whether or not this advanced information is substantive. Take the subpoenas: are they real? My question, immediately, would be: why do the Mountain Brook teens need to be subpoenaed? Has their cooperation been that difficult to obtain? If the FBI is conducting the investigation, then these are federal subpoenas. The FBI, because of jurisdiction authority, usually just comes by and sees you. If the Mountain Brook teens are being subpoenaed, I suspect that this investigation is quite serious. But, the post provides no confirmation. The way the post is presented, it begs the question of sincerely concerning what is being posted.

Accordingly, the first link questions the integrity of a well-known and accredited search organization. The second link provides unsubstantiated information about a very serious issue. In both case, the information presented contains questions of sincerely. It is difficult to determine what is being stated in sincerity from what may be wishful thinking.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 25, 2005 8:47 AM

Albert, Harry's commentaries and insight are some of the best on the web, and I hope you keep posting here. I'm wondering if you have also been to any others. I would like it if you would go to www.scrux.com/discuss and post some of your personal observations there.

Posted by: np at December 25, 2005 11:04 AM

Albert, I agree with "np". Please stop by at the aforementioned site, and if no thread is suitable, you can start another.
I had read some things before, but not as much as what you have to say. I'm really and truly ashamed of the actions of these westerners against your people and your Island, after what you have forfeited.

Have a blessed Christmas, people of Aruba.

Posted by: a.i.c. at December 25, 2005 11:22 AM

Dear Harry,

Claim that Equusearch spent $ 100 million was posted at NHN by infamous Ringo; it was brought to BHS by myself with proper references and not meant to be even considered as true. As to IRS filings, they show that annual budget of Equusearch before this story was less than a single donation by Mike Posner. The "subpoenas" thread at TUS belongs in fact to a single poster reflecting her own opinion. Although Tim Miller may need permission to post names of found people, it was evident upon research that some people who TES names as found were in fact not.

Overall, BHS and TUS are DISCUSSION boards and not someone's research sites. This means that many posts do NOT reflect substantiated information. However, at BHS and later at TUS a few dozens people posted questions which at the time could not be posted elsewhere. This makes these sites valuable, IMO.

Posted by: George at December 25, 2005 12:43 PM

Dear George:

As a follower of this blog, I know that you realize that I quote from TBS from time to time. You do not have to sell me on the merits of that site. It is a good site for discussion. Your recent link to that site revealed these Tim Miller questions. And, I know that you realize that I am no defender of Texas EquuSearch.

For others who have asked, the answer is "No." I have not posted on any other site in months, and I have no plans to post anywhere else.

Thank you again for the links and your post.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 25, 2005 1:59 PM

Dear Albert:

All three sites mentioned above: TBS, TUS and Roger's SCRUX, are sites that would welcome your insights into the case. I, likewise, encourage you to share your thoughts on those sites, as well.

Merry Christmas, Albert!

May a warm tropical breeze embrace you,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 25, 2005 2:08 PM

Harry, sorry, not meaning to entice people "away" from your site, but just extending an invitation to post other places "as well" as your site.

Posted by: a.i.c. at December 25, 2005 3:59 PM

Dear a.i.c.:

My post to George has some history. It was not intended to safekeep Albert in any way. Albert represents a good source of the Aruban perspective for the discussion boards that I mentioned.

Having said that, you are always welcome to "copy & paste" what gets posted here in the Natalee Holloway update. I have discouraged all blogs and posters with copyright concerns from posting to my editorials. I consider this a free posting area in much the same manner that Roger runs his SCRUX site. This is a Free Post Zone (FPZ).

With Aloha,

Harry

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 25, 2005 4:38 PM

Albert, thank you so much for the Aruban side of the story. I wish more Arubans would post their experiences wuth this Twitty/Holloway fiasco. I personaly am sick to death of hearing the Twitty/Holloway lies and the biased media that keeps promoting their lies. There is no way I or anyone in my family would ever consider this so called "Boycott". I feel there indeed is a cover up going on, but the cover up is within Mountain Brook and the Twitty/Holloway family. This familys push for money is very suspicious. I believe Natalee is alive and somewhere that her abusive family cannot reach or control her anymore. And I say good for her for getting away, but she needs to step up to the plate and stop this money grubbing family of hers from scamming the public and from ruining the lives of so many people in Aruba. From observing her family on tv, I can certainly understand her wanting to get away from them, but too many innocent people are getting hurt by this and it needs to stop now. So Natalee, if you are out there and reading, stop the madness, To the good Arubans out there, please continue to speak out on the outlandish behavior of the Twitty/Holloway circus. Americans need to hear it...

Posted by: therose at December 25, 2005 9:12 PM

Albert, thank you so much for the Aruban side of the story. I wish more Arubans would post their experiences wuth this Twitty/Holloway fiasco. I personaly am sick to death of hearing the Twitty/Holloway lies and the biased media that keeps promoting their lies. There is no way I or anyone in my family would ever consider this so called "Boycott". I feel there indeed is a cover up going on, but the cover up is within Mountain Brook and the Twitty/Holloway family. This familys push for money is very suspicious. I believe Natalee is alive and somewhere that her abusive family cannot reach or control her anymore. And I say good for her for getting away, but she needs to step up to the plate and stop this money grubbing family of hers from scamming the public and from ruining the lives of so many people in Aruba. From observing her family on tv, I can certainly understand her wanting to get away from them, but too many innocent people are getting hurt by this and it needs to stop now. So Natalee, if you are out there and reading, stop the madness, To the good Arubans out there, please continue to speak out on the outlandish behavior of the Twitty/Holloway circus. Americans need to hear it...

Posted by: therose at December 25, 2005 09:12 PM

I can't agree with you more, therose. These people have taken advantage of the people of Aruba too long. I want the entire USA to hear what they have done and ESPECIALLY the inbred governors of the South that joined this boycott. I want the Twitty's shown up for what they are. And Tim Miller of TES should be throughly investigated, then charged, then imprisoned.

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 25, 2005 10:42 PM

therose -- you must be working for the boys' lawyers. maybe you'll admit in a few years Natalee is dead. If she were alive, someone would rat her out for their fifteen minutes of fame. aruba is a second rate tourist destination with a corrupt government, police force and press.

Posted by: david r at December 25, 2005 10:56 PM

david r:

I am not the boys attorney, nor do I believe Natalee is indeed dead. There is no proof a crime has even been committed much less a murder taken place. I believe in innocent until proven guilty. I am from the Show Me State of Missouri and until I see proof positive that a crime has been committed, there is no crime at this point, with exception to the crime the Twitty/Holloways are perpetrating upon the American public with their lies against an Island that has shown them nothing but the greatest kindness and courtesies. The Twitty/Holloways have shown the Island of Aruba what a truly nasty American is like, and I for one do not appreciate being represented by these kind of people. The Island Of Aruba have done more in searching for Natalee Holloway than what would have been done for her here in the United States, yet this ungrateful family is still not satisfied. I wondered all my life why Americans were hated so much, but now that I see what the Twitty/Holloways and the media are doing to this Island I perfectly understand why Americans got that title. To all Arubans I hope you understand that all Americans are not like the Twitty/Holloway family, and my personal apologizes for the rotten behavior you have encountered by these people, but they do not reflect what all Americans are like. And if you david do know for a fact that Natalee Holloway is dead, then take your proof and show it to the people who need proof, and if you have no proof then I suggest you reserve your statement until such time that you do...

Posted by: therose at December 25, 2005 11:28 PM

To All:

A question that often comes up is why people do not report Natalee if she is in fact alive. Many posters, pro and con, of the Twitty-Holloway camp seemed baffled by this. Why wouldn't anyone report Natalee for the reward money?

First, whenever a reward is posted, it generally comes with stipulations. Naturally, these stipulations are quite rigorous and would probably require legal interface in order to insure a pay out. Second, beyond the stipulations, we have to assess the integrity of those offering the reward. Over the last six months or so we have had the opportunity to evaluate whether or not the Twitty-Holloway camp, AmSouth Bank and/or Joe Mammana would release funding, if someone came forward with information on Natalee's whereabouts: dead or alive.

In example, it has been reported, only too often, how the Twitty-Holloway camp shares the funding that they do have. AmSouth Bank, though a credible financial institution, would have to comply with the dictates of Beth Twitty prior to dispensing any reward funds. Essentially, the character of Beth Twitty, the clear leader of the Twitty-Holloway camp, represents the keystone as to whether or not any reward money would ever be paid. We merely need to ask ourselves, as any would-be informant would have to ask himself/herself whether or not he/she could expect any reward money from Beth Twitty. My answer would be negative. I do not believe that I am alone in this conclusion.

Lastly, we have Joe Mommana who offers $250,000.00 for information about Natalee. All one has to do is to research how much reward money that Joe has actually released and compare it with how many times that he has offered reward money for missing persons. Interestingly, I have never read where he released any reward money.

I hope the foregoing enlightens everyone as to why no one has opted for the reward money. Besides, let us not forget the infestation of parasites that follow the Twitty-Holloway camp that would descend upon an informant in order to discredit him/her and steal the reward money for themselves. We just need to appraise the manner in which these parasites have exhibited their integrity thus far, and our concerns are confirmed.

Succinctly, there is no reward money ... just more media accusations and embarrassment.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 26, 2005 12:26 AM

To All:

An update from CNN: Beth Twitty recommends to parents, considering allowing their high school teens to travel outside the USA for a vacation:

1. research your intended destination,
2. know how to contact US officials (consulates),
3. get to know local laws and law enforcement.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/25/ap/national/mainD8ENDDCG8.shtml

The article states that the Caribbean islands and Mexico are the most popular destination for teens on senior trips, this year (2006). Also, the article implies that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the Alabama boycott have not effected adversely senior class trips to the Aruba or any Caribbean islands.

With Aloha,

Harry


Posted by: harry at December 26, 2005 1:26 AM

Two comments to add to the mix from RWV:
http://p073.ezboard.com/ftheunusualsuspectsfrm7.showMessage?topicID=537.topic

This is interesting from the Unusual Suspects. The cell phone number that Beth had listed on the original Missing Poster was shut off July 25, 2005.

Number: 1-205-962-9593
State: ALABAMA
Office: NONE
Switch: NONE
Record ID: 12059629593
Entry ID: 2059629593
Records: 61
Updated: 06-25-2005
Status: VACANT

I wouldn't find that too odd, because i can believe all sorts of calls may have been being placed to that number. However in view of the fact that this is a family that demands ponds to be drained, landfills to be dug up and have F-16s search the island...i think it is odd that they would bother to have the phone shut off so soon. I imagine this is a number that Natalee would have been familiar with...was this Beth's phone, Jug's phone, or Natalee's phone that was cut off? If it was Beth's, how would the person have her new number to call her on October 3? Wouldn't Beth have known right away it wasn't Natalee, since she wouldn't have known the number? If it is possible for Natalee to have the new number...who gave it to her, when and how?

Posted by: pathenry | Monday, December 26, 2005 at 04:24 AM

ooh Pat, you bring up some very interesting points.
If the phone was disconnected that seems really odd.
wouldn't you be desperate to keep everything the same so that the person could call at any time?

Posted by: fiery | Monday, December 26, 2005 at 04:49 AM

Posted by: LittleBoPeep at December 26, 2005 4:54 AM

Dear Little Bo Peep:

Interesting post! As a speech pathologist, Beth Twitty confirmed to Dr. Phil's audience that she recognized her daughter's voice on the phone. Although, no specific phone was mentioned that I can recall. If it was this particular phone ... and it seems likely that a cell phone would be called in order to assure contact was made with Beth Twitty ... then how did Natalee know of the new number? Do you suppose Natalee called the Kingdom of Mountain Brook Fab 7 hotline for updated cell numbers?

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 26, 2005 10:19 AM

To David R.
I am sure that your comment is based on the comments posted over and over by the Twitty's. If I was the boy's lawyer I can assure you that my english would be much better and much more informations of the case will be expose on this side. What really surpirsed me is the fact that you David R. is mentioning about corruption in Aruba as if you know how out structure is working. I can defend my country just as you can for the U.S. The only thing I won't do is to waste my valuable time with a person of such low profiled and lack of education. If you want to talk about corruption then you we can discuss this with the Governor of Alabama. Why in the world would the governor who is supposed to be more concerned for his own state where a couple of teens are missing. The answer why he decided to go all the way for only one family and not for the others is because of money...David R. in Aruba the governor can never do that neither can the government. We are much more concerned for our people then just for a rich family. Check in you own backyard before you dare to mention the word corruption. Tell me why O.J. Simpson, Micheal Jackson and other that do have the money can never be punished in your country? Learn the definition of the word curroption and see the eamples back in your country, before mentioning a country that youy never visit and you never can visit. Aruba belongs to the Ducth Netherlands, the country that host The International Courthouse wher war criminals and International cases are being handled. You know why they didin't put that in the U.S.? Because if they did, many war criminals will be paying out the case just like O.J. and Micheal. Learn more about your ethics and mo\dalities before pointing your finger. Aruba has been receiving Amreican tourist long before you was born, and we will keep receiving them for a long long time after you die. So mr. smart Randy R. Try to save some money, not to visit Aruba, but to go back to school in order foir you to learn a little bit more about corruption. And I am sure that if you are willing to learn more about the other sides of the medals life will be much much more of a higher quality for you. Stop being a secondary person that believes all what other people have to say. Be a doer and not and not a lousy looser just like Beth and Jug. They know, and we know that this case is gonna turn around. many legal expert of high credibilty in the U.S, and the Netherlands knows that Beth and Jug are not telling trhe true. We and they know that NO crime has been committed in Aruba. We and they know that two of students that was together with Natalee before they left to Carlos and Charlie has somthings to tell to the Aruban Police and the FBI..So mr. randy, take a break. Keep your stupidity for yourself and stay out of a side that is really telling both side of the story.

Posted by: Albert at December 26, 2005 11:09 AM

Dear Harry,

I reviewed the some informations of the Equusearch and it doesn't impressed me at all because the source of information is unknow. Which for me means that all the info's posted is that of not reliable. I only post what I and the aruban people experienced here on the island. The question I have is why was CNN and Fox on the island just a couple of hours after Beth and Jug arrived? Why is it that they didn't go to the US Virgin Island where an American couple was killed in that same week? Other question I have is, why did the Chapparones left and obeyed the request of Beth not to speak???? I DO HAVE THE O'Relly intervieuw that confirm's that...Thanks Harry.

Posted by: Albert at December 26, 2005 11:29 AM

Hello to all!!

I hope everyone had a good Christmas..

Ok, now onto my thoughts for today. So bear with me here...

Its been on my mind since last night, about Natalee gambling on that island.

Joran, stated that he helped Natalee win some of the money she had "lost". Did Natalee blow through all of her money, lost it while gambling??

Natalee was the responsible one. How would her family react, if they knew she lost all of her money gambling that week? What would her consequences be when she got back home?

Beth states that Natalee didn't have a credit card, but NEVER was asked if she had an ATM card. Was her ATM card found in her wallet? Or did Natalee have that on her that night.

We had a poster here, who stated that he/she seen Natalee at an ATM machine that night, trying 10 times to get money out, and was so upset that there was nothing left in her account.

We know that her Dad gave her 500 dollars for her graduation present. And with Natalee having "3" families, just how much did Natalee receive in graduation gifts before leaving for Aruba? How much did she have in her savings/checking accounts? Was her bank account ever checked out to see if there were alot of withdrawals that week, for huge amounts at a time? We have NO idea how much money Natalee took with her on that trip, or how much, IF any Natalee was taking out of her accounts, via a ATM. How about writing checks? Did Natalee have a checking account, where she was writing checks on that island? In the casino's? Did Natalee get into "trouble" with writing checks, that were going to be NSF?

Remember Natalee was considered very responsible. What if Natalee got the gambling bite on the island, and became very irresponsible?

Would this enough make Natalee want to end it all? Or run away? Unable to face her family? Not wanting to face the consequences that she blew through all her money, that was earmarked for college? She could of saved thousands of dollars, through the years, for college, and then blew it all in just 5 days.


Posted by: Donna at December 26, 2005 1:25 PM

Albert, you GO man!! I admire your forthright style.
Could you explain a few comments, if you will, on something said in the past column?
You had mentioned the dogs that Equusearch had, and said something about the difference of the dogs the FBI have. The German Shephard is the dog usually used by police forces, however after 9/11 and the floods many other trained varieties were used as well. I noticed that Equusearch had Lab retrievers and other varieties. Is that what you meant, or was it that these weren't well, or properly trained?
You also mentioned about Beth going to the "other" side of the Island in the middle of the night. Can you elaborate on that please?
The other thing you mentioned about the info the Experts have regarding what happened before the C&C's event: I know you likely can't elaborate on that, but I'm glad at least that is known and will help the case.
Thanks in advance.

Posted by: a.i.c. at December 26, 2005 2:05 PM

Dear Donna,

Althought they never talked about what was found in the hotel room of Natalee, we have received information that some money was found together with one or another i.d. What really was questionable was the fact that the Beth claimed that Natalee clothes was still in the closet, manwhile two witnesses testified that two other students brought Natalee luggage to the frontdesk and made the comment that Natalee was not coming. This is the type of scenario that the local police wants to clear out with Beth. Another thing is that Natalee brought het camera to Carlos And Charlies and after her dissapearance the camera was found in the room. Who brought the camera to the room, and what kind of pictures was found in it is still a mysterie. I can not confirm you if the police or Beth has the camera. There are some things that the local police wants to investigate. For example who was the last one to leave the room where Natalee was staying. The roomswitch that took place during the 5 days cought attention of the security of the hotel. They reported this to the management and so far we really don't know who changed room with Natalee and for what reason. There was a lot of heavy drinking. this was confirmed by the F&B staff of the casino. They bartender went so far to mix the Tab Beer with water in order to avoid more abusive drinking. One waiteress made a statement that other then drinking alcohol the students didn't control their behaviour. Some girls were carried to their rooms by their male schoolmates. We are pretty sure thatsome of them could have been sexually molested by their on calssmates. As you all mates the Chapparones were in Aruba more for the traveling arrangemets reasons. Not to implement rules or whatsoever. These might be the reasons why the students and the chapparones didn't want to come forward and speak. To much embarrasements and maybe guiltfeelings might be disturbing them to do so. The students are scare to death that they must talk about some insane behaviours while their were here in Aruba. Remember folks, we are talking about a high ellite school here, and it will be a scandal if the student have to confess about their misbehaviors specially on the sexual aspect. Some beachboys told us that some girls just collapse on the beach during the day because of hangovers. We know a lot that Beth never spoke about, but is pressing the students NOT to talk.

Think about this as a parent of a straight A student. The impecable daughter with high morals....think then talk!

Posted by: Albert at December 26, 2005 2:19 PM

Right Albert!

Also, Beth stating that she never went through Natalee's luggage....but then turned around and stated she was sleeping in one of Natalee's night shirts, while staying in "Natalees" room, at the Holiday Inn.
Now come on, your daughter is missing, her luggage is there, WOULDN'T it be NORMAL for a parent to go through a missing daughters luggage, to see IF there is any clue, maybe she left something, a note, ANYTHING....

Then Beth states, she never looked at the pictures that Natalee took. Hello? WHY not? Maybe in those photos, that a CLUE was there? Maybe Natalee took a picture of someone, that could be suspect?

Those would be MY first things I would do, is go through her luggage, and get any and all photos that Natalee took, developed.

Posted by: Donna at December 26, 2005 2:27 PM

Dear Albert:

In response to your questions, I can only speculate. First, CNN and Fox may have been on Aruba for an entirely different reason in late May or early June. It may have been pure coincidence that they ran into the Twittys. My question would be: what else was happening on Aruba around that time? I can say that the word of Natalee's disappearance did spread wide early on. The fact that a member of an extended family connected to AmSouth Bank, with their recent $50 million fine for money laundering, may have sparked an interest in both CNN and Fox. Maybe CNN and Fox envisioned a Venezuelan kidnapping in retaliation for the money laundering fiasco.

As I have posted earlier, I cannot tell you much about Texas EquuSearch, other than they do show up when requested to search for missing people. They did receive a lot of financial support from Aruba's business community. They seem motivated. The extent of their qualifications is unknown to me.

The chaperones were aware that Marcia Twitty was the wife of Jug's brother, Thomas Jar Twitty. Thomas is a big shot at AmSouth Bank ($50 Billion in assets): Vice President of the Investments Division. We dedicated an entire post to their activities. AmSouth Bank carries a lot of weight (influence) where they operate in the Southern states. Unfortunately, it was Thomas Twitty's division that was involved in the money laundering. It was not him personally. I believe, it was the Jackson, Mississippi office. Money talks in America, especially, when many of the students' parents may have jobs dependent on the good graces of AmSouth Bank. When you dissect this case, I believe that you find AmSouth Bank somewhere at the core of the publicity for the Natalee Holloway affair. I do not believe CNN, FOX, or MSNBC News would care one iota for this case, if it did not concern a daughter connected to the upper echelons of AmSouth Bank. That statement could be applied to Governor Riley and the other governors, as well. I believe, the fuel for this fire is AmSouth Bank.

AmSouth Bank, likewise, is your answer to the Virgin Islands crime that went unnoticed by the cable news networks.

Hope the foregoing helps!

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 26, 2005 2:33 PM

I just read on another site (Aol message board), about his Willie Samuels, apparently he is a criminologist from New York, and he had a press conference in NY today, that he has PROOF that Natalee Holloway was a runaway...Anyone hear of him? Or seen this press conference on channel 2 (at 2 pm) in New York? Apparently Mayor Bloomberg introduced him. I guess NY doesn't believe that Natalee is a victim of any kidnapping/rape or murder.

Greta will have him on her show tonight. Of course Greta won't believe a word he says, and probably will cut him off. However it will be interesting finding out what all this man has, in information. Apparently he has a whole time line, that proves that Joran, Deepak, and Satish could not of had time to harm Natalee....I wonder IF this man, has gotten some information that was never released to the public, from the FBI??

Has Beth returned yet from her christmas get away with her mother and son? Will she be on that show tonight also? Or will Greta have Jugsy or Dave on the phone?

Posted by: Donna at December 26, 2005 3:11 PM

Dear Albert:

Please check our post for 12 and 14 October 2005 for more information on AmSouth Bank.

HarryTho 10/12 Natalee Holloway Update And Commentary :: Natalee Holloway :: Hyscience


With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 26, 2005 3:22 PM

Dear Albert:

This should be a workable link:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1012_n.php

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 26, 2005 3:31 PM

Dear Donna:

If NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg introduced this criminologist, the mayor must be convinced of the proof.

NYC must be doing something right. The FBI has selected them the safest big city in America under Mayor Bloomberg.

http://www.nyc.gov/portal/index.jsp?epi_menuItemID=c0935b9a57bb4ef3daf2f1c701c789a0&epi_menuID=13ecbf46556241d3daf2f1c701c789a0&epi_baseMenuID=27579af732d48f86a62fa24601c789a0&pageID=mayor_press_release&catID=1194&doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2F2005b%2Fpr467-05.html&cc=unused1978&rc=1194&ndi=1

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 26, 2005 4:35 PM

I agree Harry....

As I have cancelled our membership to Direct Tv a few weeks back (long story, but their customer service SUCKS big time), I haven't been able to watch Greta or the other yakking heads on the Natalee case. Which in itself is a god-send. So I rely on you, to bring me up to date, on this blog site, of anything new regarding the case. So thank you!

As of this criminologist, I tried to google information regarding him, and have YET to be able to find anything.. I have never heard about him before...and I hope he just isn't another quack trying to entangle himself into a high profile case, for money and for his 15 minutes of fame.

So I hope that anyone who watches Greta tonight, would be so kind as to share what happened with this criminologist. TIA.

Posted by: Donna at December 26, 2005 5:14 PM

O.J. Simpson, Micheal Jackson & the 3 boys were not found guilty!

Posted by: rib at December 26, 2005 5:49 PM

Donna,
Mike Bloomberg would never be associated with a quack. It just isn't his style. Don't forget he is Bloomberg radio.

Posted by: LittleBoPeep at December 26, 2005 9:22 PM

LittleBoPeep..

I hope that your're right. But I am suspicious now of anyone, who seems to be attaching themselves to this case. Especially after someone that is suppose to be HIGHLY qualified like Jamie Skeeters was. You'd be surprised how any person, can be courted as long as BIG money and fame are involved.

Posted by: Donna at December 26, 2005 9:34 PM

Interesting post! As a speech pathologist, Beth Twitty confirmed to Dr. Phil's audience that she recognized her daughter's voice on the phone. Although, no specific phone was mentioned that I can recall. If it was this particular phone ... and it seems likely that a cell phone would be called in order to assure contact was made with Beth Twitty ... then how did Natalee know of the new number? Do you suppose Natalee called the Kingdom of Mountain Brook Fab 7 hotline for updated cell numbers?

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 26, 2005 10:19 AM

Dear Harry - If the Hootie posters said call me on my 'local' cell phone why do you suppose it would have an Alabama area code? I'll bet that phone was shut off because of all the nuisance calls from people trying to reach the Twittys; and that the phone number 962-9593 was a local phone in Aruba.

Posted by: coastal Author Profile Page at December 26, 2005 9:49 PM

Dear coastal:

First, I am not a cell phone expert; however I do understand that someone can purchase a cell phone somewhere in the world and arrange for that number to be available for contact in other parts of the world. I do not know the specifics of the technology, but I do know that it can be done. Hence, I would have assumed that an emergency contact number would have had this connectivity attached to it. I would have also assumed that the Twitty-Holloway camp would have realized that they may not always be residing in Aruba. Then again, the Twitty-Holloway camp may not be as astute as I have theorized and circulated posters with bogus phone numbers.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 26, 2005 10:45 PM

Dear Harry,

Thank you for your response.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best explanation. I offer that the phone number 962-9593 was to a cell phone that Beth had in her possession shortly after landing in Aruba thanks to SETAR, Aruba's national telecommunications company. (Maybe, gratis)

The posters that contained this cell phone number were posted for just a very short time and were replaced with posters displaying cell phone numbers of Arubans helping the family, which were then replaced with other posters displaying different phone numbers and the Tip Line # 11141, and are now joined by the FBI page for Natalee "Seeking Information" with different phone numbers again.

Oh sorry, I was going to stick with the simplest explanation. Unfortunately, it seems that by accident or by design, the contact phone numbers for info of Natalee have been changed numerous times. I assume/hope that all of the posters with the old info are replaced with ones containing new info and that not all phone numbers are out there at once.

One more thought....the uninvolved person in Alabama who had the misfortune of having the cell phone number 205-962-9593 was probably quite shocked at the numbers of people who were calling them regarding the case of Natalee. It is a cell phone number that cannot be reactivated for quite some time, according to what I've read, either in Aruba or in Alabama.

Thank you for your good work here Harry, not only on the case of Natalee but throughout the site.

Cheers!

coastal

Posted by: coastal Author Profile Page at December 26, 2005 11:22 PM

Posted by: coastal at December 26, 2005 11:22 PM

Adding to post above...The only reason that I can see for Beth not having a phone even now that has full connectivity access, is that she doesn't expect anyone to call.

coastal

Posted by: coastal Author Profile Page at December 26, 2005 11:44 PM

Donna,
Mike Bloomber IS big money. Believe me, he doesn't need money and he is very conscious of his integrity. I know.

Posted by: LittleBoPeep at December 27, 2005 1:14 AM

Dear friends,
I am not interested in being a type of "big shot" on this side due to the simplicity of our way of life. We are more then gratefull to post the truth on this side, and we thank Harry to allow us to this. I repeat, being part of two radiostation in Aruba we have been worjing closely to two American t.v. station in providing them the good contacts and helping. We noticed the difference between them and CNN and FOX. That's the reason we still provide them all we can. In response to Harry regarding the CNN and FOX on the island during the same time, I have to reconfirm Harry that they arrive a couple a hours after the private jet flew in with Jug and Beth. There is no link between any Venezuelan case and CCN/FOX being on the islan. I rechecked this over and over. I also have to mentioned that 6 hours later after arriving on the island all t.v. channles coming out of the US received a temporarly working permit in order to bring in their satelite upload equipment. This type of permit was honored from the Prime Minister of Aruba, against certain standards of the National Security advisory office of Aruba. We granted all cooperation on governmental level for all media and the Twitty/Holloway families including everyone that calims that they were here to help.

Regards,
Albert.

Posted by: albert at December 27, 2005 8:23 AM

Wow, Albert, your info from the last post is certainly revealing! What the heck's going on? These Holloway/Twitty folks swoop down on Aruba to recover? the errant daughter and even contact CNN-Fox to get their satellite dishes down for extensive coverage almost before the Natalee went missing! I'm very confused and really beginning to wonder if the Twits-Holloways are in collusion with the big news outlets on this story, but why? What's the real story because we sure don't know it yet?

Posted by: betsy at December 27, 2005 9:04 AM

Dear albert:

It seems that the Twitty-Holoways were well-organized for a sudden disappearance of their daughter. I believe Marcia Twitty is well-connected in the public relations industry, but this has to be a feat for anyone. Six hours after arrival of the Twitty posse! Truly, there is cause for suspicion.

Thank you for the update, Albert!

With Aloha,

Posted by: harry at December 27, 2005 9:44 AM

Dear Rib,

In Aruba we use the Duch Kingdom judicial system wqhich has over 300 years (older then the one from the U.S). You can never say that the 3 boys are not guilty. There is no judge that ever made that veredict. The courtcases that went along during the investigations is to re-assure that the proper procedures are being used. That the three boys are free right now does NOT guaranteed them that they are not guilty. The investigation is still ongoing anf if it necessary the three boys can be called in and re arrested. There is the differnce between the O.J./Jackson cases and the three boys. Even if at hte final of the investigation they are find NOT guilty the public prosecuter still can make an appeal on behalf of the people of Aruba and can even go to the higher courts in the Netherlands. It ain't over till it's over in a criminal case in the Dutch Kingdom...So don't confuse yourself. And the other differnce between us and you is the fact that we do not use the jury system. We use a selected group of judges assigned by the Dutch Queen.....completly independant/ I don't belive that any rich people can reach that level.

Posted by: Albert at December 27, 2005 9:51 AM

The http://www.geocities.com/mlazyv/images/nhposteraruba.jpg states explicitly "Mom is here on Aruba ... call me on my local cel phone 962-9593". "96" is one of six Aruban cell ranges. I take it clearly as that the number is Aruban. Moreover, according ScubaJap, this number belongs to SETAR. This would mean that Beth rented the phone NOT from Charles Croes who met her.

It is also known that posters were printed by Jug's daughter before Beth departed for Aruba. If they already knew this number, how? Well, TUS and CTVR have newest threads where content of other sites analyzed showing some MBK's posted as early as on May 31 information much of which the Twittys supposedly found out later.

Some think this suggests that the Twittys were working on setting Joran up well before they knew him; this is not proven [yet], judge for yourself.

Posted by: George at December 27, 2005 1:16 PM

Dear Harry,

Since I am from Aruba, I have been wondering around with this question. The first 24 up 48 hours after Dave Holloway reported that Natalee was missing, Beth showed up with a flyer with the statement "WE CAN TALK...bla bla bla". One local reporter did a comment about this statement and BEth instructed to remove those flyer. She then release the one with a cell number and with the statement "Mommy want to talk to you..bla bla bla. After that she brought in a bunch of flyer with the headline "KIDNAPPED". All this happened in less then a week. The Aruban authorities realise a flyer suggesting the community to help in finding a missing teen from Alabama. It was till last month that the FBI posted Natalee on their missing person list. During the shows of Nancy Grace she was constantly attacking Aruba and it's authorities meanwhile the Prime Minister together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs out of the Netherlands allowed the FBI to assist in this investigation. althought the FBI didn't have any juristriction on the island, most or not to say all their suggestions and advices were followed and their dna experts were allowed to work with the team. Due to avoid mishandling in the justice system, all posible DNA and or other evidences where send to the Netherlands for further investigations. We cannot let FBI rule the investigation otherwise we will have a trial against the system which means inmediate release for the possible suspect. If I am not mistaken the suspects can make a call for a msitrial. Evidences collected other then stipulated by the code of law. Meaning that just like in the States all evidences must be brought forward according to the legal procedures of the judicial system. This was the problem. FBI, The Dutch Experts and the local police worked firmly on the case. But...Beth and Jug were calling in press conferences almost everyday and pretending to know better then the three teams together. Mrs. jansen and even the Prime Minister called Beth and Jug for a meeting and only requested them not to gave out many information to the media in order to avoid confussion and to avoid that important investigation information can be jeopardize. Beth and Jug didn't care. They insisted in the media circuss. Talkshows were held at the Marriott pool side. Jerry Rivera, Greta van Susuteren and many more came to the island and pretend to know better then the lawmakers of the Dutch Kingdom. What was more rirdculous in the show of Greta van Susuteren was that Mark Furhman was used to critizise the Aruban authorities and the FBI. Let me remind you one thing. If O.J. Simpson is a free man today is thanks to this lousy racist detective of L.A. that blunder to whole case and in favor of O.J. So I don't believe that it was fair for our people, for our authorities, for all the FBI agents and Dutch Experts to be critizise by a stupid and racist like Mark Furhman. Greta herself has a Dutch last name, I did talk to her while she was here and she can't speak dutch. For everybody that wants to point a finger in our direction I want to remind them that over 85% of our people speaks minimum 4 languages. We host over 1.5 million tourist per year for over 4 decades. Aruba enjoys the lowest crime percentage in the Caribbean and maybe in the world. Brandnames such as Marriott, Hyatt, Radisson are here and the Ritsz Carlton just receive the green light to start with a new project on Aruba. Since the end of the worldwar two many americans are living peacefully on the island and since 1920 oil refineries were open on the island. The Exxon, Coastal, Valero and the Wickland Oil.All from american investments. The FOL (Forward Operation Locatio)and DEA works on the island, together with the Dutch/local teams in order to fight drugs. All this to provide protection to the well being of the US Citizen. We don't have a problem of the call for boycott of Beth and Jug together with their Alabama Governor. We don't have a problem with whoever that wants to critizise Aruba. As long they know what their talking about. As long as they know that Aruba was the largest fuel provider for the allied forces specially the U.S. forces during the WWII. Aruba was attacked by the German U boats. All this because the american troops were on the island. I don't believe that most of your people know this. We regret that an american teen vanished on the island. We regret that an american family has to go through all this. We regret also, that some Americans including the Twitty and Holloway family is misusing the hospitality and the efforts of our island and our people to help find Natalee. We as Arubans, have enough reason to believe that there is no crime in this case. Too many details for the media from the part of Beth and Jug. This sound and smells more like a set up for something. I don't know if it is the insurance of Natalee is ringing a bell. What happened in the last week before she arrived on Aruba with her life insurance. Who can find out if it is true that Natalee life insurance was raised to a couple of ten millions. Tell me/us what had happended before and after Natalee went missing. These informations are just as valueble as the three boys statements. Don't come up with stories of Beth and Jug. We had eneoght of that. Come up with some new stuff. Tell us who brought Natalee to the airport of Alabama before she came to Aruba. Tell me about Beth and Jug meeting with the ones that had a private jet on "STAND BY" for them. Why did Dr. Phil talked about Natalee being in MExico? Tell me about why in the world did Dr. Phil edit the recordings. What was the purpose and who told them to do so? We as locals wants o know more about Beth secret mission and the her statement "They are gonna be hit so hard that they don't even know what hits them downthere". Harry...do you really believe that a grieving mother is more in the mood of collecting dollars instead of being in Aruba searching for her daughter and cooperating with the local police, the FBI and the Dutch experts?? Many hundreds teens are being missing in Alabama and the only thing that the governor had to say was "We are working on them"..are you telling me that the Twitty's and the Holloways are more important then all other tax payers in Alabama? Do you think that don't smell coruption? Harry I guess I wrote enough...it's not what I write that is important..it's what we want to know in order to solve the case here Aruba is important. We want Beth and Jug to come back to Aruba. They can bring their camera crewq from CNN, FOX, and all others with them. We can put them all in a special room while the local police together with the FBI and the Dutch Experts are intoragating them. The whole world can see their reactions and see if what they are answering is true or false. We will let them go through the lie detector test just as the boys did. Do you really think they will accept this challenge?

Regards
Albert (sorry for my english)

Posted by: Albert at December 27, 2005 1:25 PM

Dear Albert,

According to ScubaJap (RWV poster, supposedly an Aruban news reporter), Beth keeps the camera found in the room and refused to give it or pictures to ALE, but there are witnesses (those helped to develop films) to content of pictures.

Posted by: George at December 27, 2005 1:28 PM

Dear Albert:

Throughout this case, we Americans have raised similar questions concerning the entire Twitty-Holloway camp. We got no answers. The main focus of the American media was the conviction of the three boys in Aruba. Now, after many of the strong leads discovered (if not fabricated) by the Twitty-Holloway camp and their affiliates have proven without merit, we find silence on the cable news airways. Nancy Grace (CNN), Greta On The Record (Fox) and MSNBC News are all silent. It is as if there never was a Natalee Holloway case.

In my opinion, the American cable news networks have defrauded us. Currently, they are airing that critical testimony was suppressed in the Scott Peterson case. I do not believe that they are in the business of publishing news anymore. Now, I see them more inline with the antics of Dr. Phil.

Hopefully, the FBI will be able to extract the required information from the Kingdom of Mountain Brook and resolve this case for everyone.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 27, 2005 1:54 PM

Doesn't anyone posting here remember Joran's statement to a reporter in Holland? "Someday, I'll tell what happened that night. I'm just not ready to do that now." Or words to that effect.

Posted by: punkingale at December 27, 2005 5:20 PM

Albert, your explanations of the Dutch system were very helpful. Also Did Aruba really supply oil for the allies in WWII? That is awesome . I guess being so close to Venezuela and all. I didn't know Aruba was attacked by german boats. My 2 Uncles were gone for 4 years in WWIIand my Dad was getting ready to ship out when the war ended. We have a lot of thanks to the Arubans for help this way.I didn't know the Germans made it to the Carribbean!!! I'm german, Czech and Polish but American. Wouldn't it be good to bring the 2 countries closer and with greater understanding of our lives and realities.Hope to hear more posts, Albert.

Posted by: kurt at December 27, 2005 5:46 PM

Dear punkingale:

I am quite sure we all remember Joran's statements to the Current Affair reported in the Netherlands. I pray you did not post in order to share with us your theory on why that statement: "Someday, I'll tell what happened that night. I'm just not ready to do that now." might refer to a confession. Given all that Joran has endured, had he engaged in any wrongdoing, then he would have confessed already. No, punkingale, I suspect that Joran wants to tell us about Natalee's intentions and aspirations that night; however, his lawyer, and the Aruban police, undoubtedly advised against divulging any evidence.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 27, 2005 6:00 PM

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"—especially inasmuch as the origins of the story keep moving further back in time: if it goes much further back, the Internet campaign will have started before Natalee Holloway left Alabama for Aruba?"

Dayo Gould, Useless Knowledge, Dec., 26th.

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/uk_news/article007.html
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Yes, I have heard about some of the theories trying to explain the many disappearances throughout the years in the Bermuda Triangle, and how they claim that such occurrences may be the result of certain " anomalies" in the fabric of space-time that produce so called "wormholes" of the Theoretical Phycisists, that distort time, and may lead to the possibility of travelling back in time.


Also, I have always called this Natalee Holloway "Media Circus" fiasco an "anomaly," and of course those of us not blinded by the hallucinogenic qualities of the "Beth poison-laced Kool Aid," have more or less always been able to discern that the Twittys are nothing but "worms" digging into the donations "apple," and a a bunch of A-"holes."


However, I never thought, as evidenced by ArBeeJ's posts of May 30th and 31st, that Mountain Brook would be at the center of one of these "space-time" continuum conflagrations resulting in this Model Community being at the "epicenter" of such an "anomaly" which has apparently manifested itself in the "worm - hole" (not sure if there is any ass in that one yet) that allowed ArBeeJ to travel back in time to be able to post on the Internet her prescient comments about all that then happened to Natalee, as Beth later confirmed it, even before Natalee had left for Aruba!


And it makes me wonder, if Natalee had been away from the "time warp field" at Mountain Brook, and been able to read ArBeeJ's posts before she left for Aruba, perhaps this "International Incident," and "Nuclear Crisis" could have been averted, and Natalee would not have been lost to whatever "balck hole" (or most likely "black penis") she was fatally drawn to, only to disappear in its vortex! Now, she's gone much like all those other ships and planes in the
"Triangle!"


But we must not loose Faith (It is rumored that Beth will be appearing in the 700 Club in a drive for more donations soon. Got to feed those "worm - A-holes" to keep the "portal" open) since, as we may recall from Richard Dreyfuss' Monumental Masterpiece, which was the "Milestone" of his acting career, "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," we may very well see one day any time soon (as soon as the nine months are up), all the ALE, and even the Prime Minister himself, gathered at the Queen Beatrice Airport in Aruba, with three Dutch Fighters making a pass overhead, flying low in formation, then the Airport speakers blare the tune from "Close Encounters" and we see the door of an "Alien Aircraft" (probably an AeroMexico, or Venezuelan airplane) open, only to reveal Natalee coming back miraculously returning to us from the farthest reaches of "space-time," with proof of her "close encounter," and her interaction with her "Alien" abductors, as she carries her dark skinned, mulatto baby with her striking nose, in her arms!


UFOlogists should look into this! Forget Roswell, Mountain Brook is the place to be for "anomalies," "time-warps," "worm holes," "worms" (the Twitty kind), and A-"Holes" (I rather not say!)!!!

"Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here in Mountain Brook!"

Dr. Who, Althor?

Posted by: Althor at December 27, 2005 10:31 PM

Dear Althor:

Please refrain from quoting from the useless-knowledge blog. The useless-knowledge blog authors have serious copyright concerns. And, we really do not need to revive the Middle Ages or some "12 Monkeys" scenario in order to arrive at plausible solutions to Natalee's disappearance.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 27, 2005 10:55 PM

My apologies Harry! I wasn't aware of such scuffles, and though Dayo Gould can at some times be brilliant. I am not "especially" fond of his writings.

However, I found it funny, that now it is surfacing that much of what later became the "Beth Creed" that has been shoved down our collective throats on cable for months now, was apparently being touted on the Internet from Mountain Brook, from either the same day Natalee went missing, or if some of the claims Mr. Gould makes are true, from the 30th of May, even before Natalee had been "missing," giving the turn to this absurd "comedy of errors," that the
"disinformation" campaign on part of the Twitty camp was well underway even before anyone could know with certainty what had happened to Natalee, much less to have been able to "prophesy" with cunning accuracy what later became "Beth Dogma" concerning Natalee's disappearance!

Hence, I decided to write "tongue in cheek" the above spoof, making fun of the "time-line anomalies," and apparent "time travelling" abilities attributed to some people in the Twitty
"Boiler Rooms" in Mountain Brook, in conjunction with the "prophesies" of the impending return of Natalee after some undetermined period of gestation, from some "alien" environ.

I will not mention the offending site again. Sorry.

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 28, 2005 2:53 AM

It won't break my heart not to see Dayo's filth here again. Maybe some see through it to some facts, but the filth is overboard. On one of the boards he badgers a MB mom for writing in the very first day that Natalee didn't arrive home with all the rest of the kids. They were all worried and wanted some answers, and she thought she may get some through the Aruba boards. Plain and simple as that! No hidden agenda; and no sitting in Marcia's camp!

Posted by: a.i.c. at December 28, 2005 9:52 AM

AIC are you also working out of Beth and Marcia's "Boiler Room" in Mountain Brook?!?!

I personally do not like Mr. Gould, but he has nevertheless been very vocal in denouncing all the lies, half truths, and machinations of the Twitty camp, which has helped them feed the ravenous appetite of the scandalmongering media, when there has really been nothing new to report on this case for months, and has made them the "darlings" of the cable news channels, while the other parents of other missing children remain voiceless and anonymous, or the victims of natural disasters and terrorist bombings go unheard, only to have this media maven, narcissistic Beth b**ch be on TV every night dishing out more of her stale, old "Drama Queen" performances!!!

Dayo, though sometimes redundant (but then how can anyone not be when Beth herself is a "broken record" of the "same old, same old"!), and haughty, has brought many pertinent points to the forefront of this "Media Circus" fiasco, which is nothing more nor less than a "family tragedy" about a parent making the wrong decision in letting her daughter go "unsupervised" into a "Girl Gone Wild" environment brimming with booze, drugs, and plentiful gonads, and of some half drunken, horny teenage "Girl Gone Wild" in turn, repeatedly making bad judgements that led her to her demise, and not an "International Incident" meriting the involvement, for no greater altruistic reason than "Political Grandstanding," of certain inbred half-wits, backwoods, "Good Ole' Boys," Governors from some Southern States, who'd do a better service to their communities focusing on the hundreds missing and unaccounted for in their own States, than in this missing miscreant in Aruba and her Banshee mom's theatrical wails in order to stay in the "limelight" she has become so violently addicted to!!!

I am sorry to disappoint you, you may not hear of the offending site in question, nor verbatim see anything Mr. Dayo would post there here again, but you certainly are going to keep hearing about what he, I, and many like us have to say until Justice, "True Justice" and not some "lynching mob" in white hoods from Alabama, is served!!!

Now, be good, and go back to your Masters at the Twitty "Boiler Room," and tell them what "Althor" said. I'm sure they'll "cringe" when they hear my name! LOL!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 28, 2005 10:55 AM

Althor, how dare you talk like that to me, after me having done a favor for you. I don't come out of the boiler rooms of MB. I am "a..incanada" shortened to aic. Same province as Dayo.
I agree with some of the things you say, but please don't holler them. I don't agree with anything Twitty at all. I don't understand their way of thinking, period. But I'm also not missing a daughter/child! I've never thought about how I would handle such a situation, but I do feel it would be a personal tragedy and wouldn't be an international/national event. I do know from this "happening" that I would not be speaking to any media about a personal loss.
I would like to see true Justice as well, and hope for some real "breaking" news in the New Year. I want to see my three boys exonerated, which they do deserve!
Dayos' vulgar satire does not appeal to me, esp when he adds to his site that he is a religion teacher as well. Everyone knows by now where they can find him to read his articles. On the boards he has a habit of badgering people, which he has done to a MB poster, in unfairness, IMHO.
I accept your appology.

Posted by: a.i.c. at December 28, 2005 12:56 PM

Althor, stay tuned, for once again Beth will do the Media rounds; this time teaching others what she should have done in the first place. Stay tuned. :)

Posted by: a.i.c. at December 28, 2005 1:30 PM

Well hello Incanada!

I personally have nothing against you, and I do dislike Dayo's "First World Nation superiority complex," (versus America of course, which in his opinion is a "Second World Country"....whatever that means!) not to mention his uncalled for badgering all "things American" in general, but of those fellow bloggers who do not see things
"eye to eye" with him, as well as not being overly fond of some of the "redundancies" in his writings, but you must understand that of late it seems that once again "unknown posters" are coming out of the woodwork in droves to do
"damage control" to anyone challenging the "Beth Doctrine!"

However, I find it a bit pretentious on your part to assume I would apologize for simply expressing myself, and calling an "apple" an "apple," and an "orange" and "orange", especially taking the "ambivalent positions" apparent in your statement which were the ones I answered to, not knowing who you were, and obviously, yes, I do dare, and no, I do not apologize!

You may not know what a "Mother"("Goddess": Insert picure of Beth, Cindy Sheehan, or the Venus of Willendorf here, please!) feels ar the loss of a child, but patently Beth Twitty does not hold "Exclusive Rights" to such feelings, and while other grieving parents go unheard in their grief, ignored by the media, this media maven b**ch, makes of such grief a denigrating "TV Reality Show" hawking sappy Prayer Cards on unsuspecting Arubans as if she was running for Mayor of Oranjestad, or selling vacuum cleaners door to door, with the camera crews following her, and making of it all a spectacle for the morbid TV audiences, a media circus, and a farce for her benefit, and that of her much sought
"scandolmongering" media friends, and not because of the grief for, or the benefit of Natalee, whom she has rarely mentioned in her latest TV appearances for weeks now!!!!!!!

Beth Twitty has become the Cindy Sheehan of the "Mountain Brook Clod Hoppers of America," and has likewise made of a "personal, family tragedy" the "talk of the town" and the platform upon which to stand in their beloved "limelight," enjoy the attention, the notoriety, and the "celebrity status" at the expense of making mockeries of their children and their loss, screaming in rage to the world: "It's MY child that is dead, or missing, it's MY caprices that were not heard supposedly by the ALE on the case of the one, and President Bush in that of the other, its' MY feelings ...it's MY needs...it's MY, MY ,MY, MY ,MY!!! It's all but about both "witches," who have upset the whole order of a Nation, indeed of the whole world if it was in their power to do so, only to see them
"gloating," beaming with "Pride," as when Beth met Condi, or Cindy was being taken arrested in her lawn chair in Washington, with the officers literally lifting her in her "litter" over the other peace nik protesters, as if she was the "Queen of Sheba" or such with the sickening smirk on her face!!! Revolting to see, on both counts!!! It's all about ME, ME, ME with these "adoring" Mothers, which makes the disturbing question about "Momism," which Philip Wylie made in his book "Generation of Vipers," so pertinent, which is, if at this stage of our human evolution in our society, "Motherly love" is not, after all, a bit overrated!!!

I, for one, am glad that neither Beth nor Cindy had the trouble of carrying me in their womb, and if given a choice, I would have rather come out of a test tube!!!


Althor


Posted by: Althor at December 28, 2005 6:12 PM

Althor how is your blood pressure?

In Beths' case, she had to create alot of noise, to cover what was going on in the background, which is, something that needs to be found out yet.

Posted by: a.i.c. at December 28, 2005 6:30 PM

My blood pressure is fine, thank you, and yes, apparently like the "slight of hand artist," our attention was diverted somewhere else by all of the Beth wailing, and her kicking up a fuss, while the Twittys slipped an elephant under our very noses!

You are right. That is something that indeed needs to be found out!!!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 28, 2005 6:39 PM

Why do these two posters go on and on so much about nothing that has anything to do with anything but themselves?

Posted by: sandrahu Author Profile Page at December 28, 2005 10:18 PM

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Why do these two posters go on and on so much about nothing that has anything to do with anything but themselves?

Posted by: sandrahu at December 28, 2005 10:18 PM

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Wow! Now denouncing Beth Twitty and her performing "Faux Media Monkeys" is an excersise
in "Egocentrism"?!?! Stupid me! And I was under the impression that Beth's narcissistic, obsession with being in the "limelight" 24/7 was!!!

What would the Beth supporters think of next???


Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 28, 2005 11:38 PM

Aruba has allready spent 40% of the anual police budget on Natalee Holloway. And they still keep saying Aruba is inept. Let me see America do that for their thousands of missing victim's.

I wonder why people don't boycott CNN and Dr, Phil. Aruba is verification for the lies they portrait to people.

Just wonder what is really going on in Iraq?

Aruba is still the place to be.

Posted by: S.Nicolaas at December 29, 2005 2:29 PM



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