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December 16, 2005

HarryTho 12/16 Natalee Holloway Update and Commentary (Updated)

Topics: Natalee Holloway

For this evening's editorial, I will recount the adventures of the day:

Perhaps the biggest news of the day was the meeting between Congressman Bacchus and the Aruban delegation. Despite our forewarnings of a closing of the case, it appears that Congressman Bacchus is pleased with the meeting and its frankness. One can only imagine the content of the frankness that Congressman Bacchus referenced.

Nonetheless, it would appear that the Arubans have the support of the DA of Jefferson County and Congressman Bacchus. I can only surmise that the talks were informative and direct to acquire such willingness from the boycott-hawking Alabamans.

So, begining with - Bachus, Aruban Officials Discuss Teen...

WASHINGTON (AP) - Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a "frank and open discussion" and that Aruban authorities have devoted "tremendous resources" to the case.


"Their intention going forward ... is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously," Bachus told reporters. "They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads."

Bachus met with three state prosecutors from Alabama and at least three officials from the Dutch Caribbean island, including Aruban Deputy Police Chief Dolf Richardson, for more than two hours. He said the Aruban officials planned meetings with FBI officials while in Washington.

David Barber, district attorney for Jefferson County, Ala., said he offered his assistance to the Arubans but added that in order for them to contact people in Alabama who may have more information about Holloway, they must go through international protocols.

John Quinlan Kelly, a New York-based attorney for the Holloway family, said Natalee Holloway's parents wanted him to attend the meeting, but the lawmaker's office told Holloway's family the Arubans objected to that.

Though Congressman Bacchus claims the investigation is ongoing, it sees clear from the press release that the investigation is moving to Mountain Brook and that the FBI will be involved. Even one of the Alabama DAs volunteers assistance. Certainly, the case is not a dead end, if they are permitted to investigate Natalee's classmates and chaperones in Mountain Brook, AL.

Whether or not the case will close entirely seems unlikely with the support of the Alabama law enforcement. Whatever the Arubans discussed in Washington, DC, it may have entailed the desperation of the avenues of inquiry in Aruba. Clearly, support in the USA by Alabama law enforcement and the FBI were required to restimilate this investigation. Mountain Brook, here we come!

In other news, the Dairio has referenced our pregnancy theory and added some input of their own that makes the theory more plausible (Scared Monkeys has a translation of the article referring to our post).

[Translation also in yesterday's Hyscience comments... ]

The knowledge (allegedly) that a physician was sought after for an abortion is a key item of information that has not received much publicity. Also, the Dairio reports that Natalee expects to come out of hiding in January 2006, after she has given birth, and will tell her story.

This "coming out" of Natalee may have been the prime mover of the Aruban prediction that the case would be resolved in January 2006. It seems likely that there are no guilty parties in Aruba, despite the prior calls for incarcerations from Alabama.

Jossy Mansur and his staff were kind to us, despite our adversarial demeanor in past posts. Looks as if Jossy truly desires to solve this case. It is clear from his comments that he allows himself to exonerate Joran and the Kalpoe brothers under the scenario that we presented. Sometimes, theories when they strike the right cord bring the most vehement of adversaries together.

Also, the Amigo Newspaper mentioned earlier that the Aruban delegation would meet members of congress with an "s" on members. It seems that more than Congressman Bacchus was on their list of appointments.

A delegation consisting of chief of police Dolfi Richardon and lawyer Arleen Ellis-Schipper went to Washington today to talk with American members of congress on the Natalee Holloway case. They will definitely talk to Spencer Bacchus from Alabama.
Perhaps by January 2006, we will have a full-scale investigation ongoing in Mountain Brook, AL.

From the talking heads of cable, Rita Crosby of MSNBC interviewed Steve Cohen, Beth Twitty and Julia Renfro.

Steve described the meeting as productive. Rita harped on the comment from Congressman Bacchus "It's OK to lie in Aruba." Rita actually went out of her way to play this line up. Steve tried to explain the legal process within the interrogation system. He was not clear.

Beth Twitty assisted Steve with "Lying is OK" as a suspect but not as a witness. She seemed to brush off Rita's naivety of the lying issue. Beth already encountered this roadblock early on the investigation. Beth harped upon Action over Words in this case. Rita commented that it appeared that you cannot be charged with anything in Aruba. Beth fell into her groove of lack of law enforcement protection and everyone knows the suspects are responsible. Beth says she has to rely on the Aruban law enforcement to eventually surface.

Julia Renfro would not buy into Rita's "Lying is OK in Aruba" comment. She simply reacted like it was news to her. She claims that the investigation is ongoing. The results reported from the AP on the meeting in Washington, DC was good news for the island. The Georgia boycott was upsetting. She was upbeat about the prospect that the Mountain Brook students would be investigated. She stated that the boycott was having no effect on tourism to Aruba.

Comment: Rita avoided asking Beth Twitty how she felt at being denied access or representation at this meeting in Washington, DC.

Update: Greta of Fox News interviewed Congressman Bacchus, Jug Twitty and John Q. Kelly. Congressman Bacchus withheld comment on the meeting's specifics per order of the FBI.

All he did say is that the Aruban file on the case exceeded any he had seen in the USA. Besides that, he mentioned early wiretapping in the case, and kind of passed Greta off on a question related to leaking information that could have damaged the case.

Greta reported that Congressman Bacchus stated that the Arubans police have spent 40% of their budget on the resolution of this case. Also, the question of FBI involvement was never responded to by anyone. However, from TV clips of Congressman Bacchus' report, it does appear that he is working hard in order to insure that the investigation continues with full USA support.

Jug Twitty is glad that the Arubans came. He was dissatisfied that his lawyer, John Kelly, could not attend the meeting. He is delighted with Georgia's participation in the boycott.

Jim Kelly basically reported that he met with the chief prosecutor and the deputy police chief in Aruba. He mentioned familiarizing himself with the locations in the case. He believes that he opened up communications, as he was hired to do, between the family and the prosecutor. In an appraisal, he felt the prosecutor and the deputy police chief were professionals and would act accordingly.

Greta held her council: Grimm, Williams and Hammer. Grimm gave the congressman high marks for honesty and straight forwardness.

Ted Williams claimed that unless the FBI are copartners in the case, he felt they would be relegated to observation. Ted disagrees with the boycott, but he now feels it is having an effort on Aruban law enforcement.

All council members and Greta were confused about the FBI's involvement in the case. Jim Hammer merely commented that the mystery is now an every greater mystery.

With Aloha,

Posted for HarryTho

Posted by Richard at December 16, 2005 9:07 PM

Very interesting update. Rep Bachus' talk to the media AFTER his meeting with Aruban authority blows out of the water every theory mentalized by anybody thus far.

If what he says is true then the Arubans actually have suggested strongly that NH is truely missing. There is no pregnancy, no runaway, no "she's back in AL", etc.

If they're pursuing then they have leads. There's a goal their after.

Posted by: dr_usa_23 at December 16, 2005 9:36 PM

Dear Also_Dutch:

I did not get that impression at all. I got the impression that Congressman Bacchus was relieved that the investigation would continue. I, also, got the impression that US law enforcement was eager to assist in the investigation. We should not discount the absence of anyone from Natalee Holloway's family as insignificant. One of the positives was the revelation that the Mountain Brook students would be investigated. We could read into that that someone may have resisted that effort.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 16, 2005 10:05 PM

Congressman Bacchus with three state prosecutors
met with three ARUBAN officials-on 12/16/2005, Friday; and it was said "They(Arubans) plan to pursue leads?"i.e. They have not yet planned or pursued the leads yet??? They cannot cook anything if they do not know/ and they do not want to seek/accept help from Alabama DA also?
If they plan to visit MB students who went to ARUBA,with the help of FBI, but not tell the FBI
what is going on in the case?
It seems, they are going round and round and
round on a circle and it can be said,"It is not
a closed case" nor "at the dead End?" till all of
you get tired---- then, all of a sudden, somebody
will find out that MB students were at fault and
Natalee Holloway was not there at all --- or something like that --- they have very professional spin doctors --- You read blogs and
figure it out ... THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING
to blame ... then business as usual ... Proof?
Their Prime Minister agreed that mistakes were
made... but who cared to correct them?

Posted by: American,K. at December 16, 2005 11:06 PM

Hi Harry,
I was very upset by this dissembling congressman. He hemed and hawed and basially said nothing helpful. I am beginning to wonder what kind of people are elected to office in Alabama. Does this man have a high school education? His evasive answers about the FBI speaks volumns to me, but the media is playing it completely different. Greta and her sycophants are stating Bacchus is trying to work behind the scenes to get the FBI and the Aruban LE to work together. That is not what I heard at all. As far as that stuck on stupid Fat Rita is concerned, she is nothing but a drama queen spinning everything she hears. What is your opinion of this so called Aruban spokesperson, Steve Cohen?

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 16, 2005 11:15 PM

Dear flightoffancy:

I believe Steve Cohen is getting the communication aspect of the case under control. From the meeting in Washington, DC with Congressman Bacchus, I get the impression that the Arubans have pressed the issue of getting the American media under control ... or else. Congressman Bacchus is doing his part. The FBI asked him to remain silent over the contents of the meeting, and he conformed.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 16, 2005 11:56 PM

@American K
IMO MB, Al. if they are clear why no to give answers? Nothing to lose.. , After all the effort that ALE/DFI have been doing, I will accept to tell me; why DID they chose Joran as the first suspect? Because, he only knew Natalee for a matter of hrs. By allegations in the blogs by some of the MBK they saw her after, is normal that ALE/DFI need to get this facts strait.
I believe that the Twitty/Holloways, are playing an important role, Strange that a MOM is going to be asking for a dead cert the first 48 hrs of the disappearance after, she mention that she was kidnapped. Odd that the preparation for the search was made in less than 12 hrs??. Seems like, everything organized prior to the event.
Very personal is that DFI/ALE want to lawsuit the responsible either financial and jail for fraud, perjury, etc. Just imagine three F-19, between some of the expenses.
Expensive…..


Posted by: antoinette at December 17, 2005 12:13 AM

Dear flightoffancy:

I believe Steve Cohen is getting the communication aspect of the case under control. From the meeting in Washington, DC with Congressman Bacchus, I get the impression that the Arubans have pressed the issue of getting the American media under control ... or else. Congressman Bacchus is doing his part. The FBI asked him to remain silent over the contents of the meeting, and he conformed.

With Aloha,

Harry

Dear Harry,
I guess I just disagree with your assessment of this Cohen character. He just doesn't impress me with his ability to deal with our out of control media freaks. And why would the FBI ask Congressman Bacchus to keep silent about what happened in the meeting? They have to know our Tabloid media will spin this against Aruba. I want Aruba to start fighting back against this giant trying to destroy them. Maybe they can't. And that just makes me sad that our country is doing this to small defenseless Island.

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 17, 2005 12:15 AM

I agree with your assestment of Cohen, Flight. He is a push-over. You can't send a polite man in to deal with the likes of Rita, Nancy, and Greta. Aruba needs to call up someone that is on an equal par with those battle-axes. They need someone who is rude, pushy, has no conscience, lies without batting an eyelash, spins rumors into facts, in other words someone repulsive... someone like Wendy Murphy.

Posted by: Max at December 17, 2005 12:34 AM

I agree with your assestment of Cohen, Flight. He is a push-over. You can't send a polite man in to deal with the likes of Rita, Nancy, and Greta. Aruba needs to call up someone that is on an equal par with those battle-axes. They need someone who is rude, pushy, has no conscience, lies without batting an eyelash, spins rumors into facts, in other words someone repulsive... someone like Wendy Murphy.

Posted by: Max at December 17, 2005 12:34 AM

Thanks Max, that cheered me up some. I have been getting really depressed over the way America has been treating this tiny Island. And these southern Governors (KKK mentality) asking to boycott this tiny Island is outrageous. I dearly hope they live to regret their presumptuous actions.

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 17, 2005 12:43 AM

The real deal is in the VF article and the media freaks know it. That's why they came out swinging to dominate the news cycle with their negative spin about the meeting.

Sadly after 6 months they still have nothing to show for all their noise. This is just pure vengance against Aruba.

T?hey'll cook up something for each news cycle. Drown Aruba with negative media. Greta, Rita, Beth ... are all play off the same game plan. Just listen they use similiar themes.

Uncle

Posted by: Uncle Ben at December 17, 2005 2:06 AM

Hi Harry,
"
Well they are commin round the mountain when they come, they are commin round the mountain when they come, they are commin round the mountain, they are commin round the mountain, they are commin round the mountain when they come"

Misposted on 12/15, Harry, Rita did not get a show on faux because she has a real penchant for putting words in people's mouths. Cohn had a lot of trouble fighting her off and Julia did a great job of treating her as she was behaving, like a child. I so can't wait until MSNBC fires her. Then I can't wait unti faux fires Greta and then I can't wait until CNN fires Ms Disgrace. When they are all fired, they will have an afternoon program on the "public access channel" formatted and competing with "The View"!

What I do not understand is how vociferously, some posters, in the face of everything that is surfacing, are continuing to just spout the same information, the same, the same, the same...are these posters being paid to post this? They could nto possibly be engaging their brains.

Thanks as always Harry for solid information and conjecture and thanks to your hosts.

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 17, 2005 2:29 AM

Posted by: George at December 17, 2005 4:47 AM

Very interesting update. Rep Bachus' talk to the media AFTER his meeting with Aruban authority blows out of the water every theory mentalized by anybody thus far.

If what he says is true then the Arubans actually have suggested strongly that NH is truely missing. There is no pregnancy, no runaway, no "she's back in AL", etc.

If they're pursuing then they have leads. There's a goal their after.

Posted by: dr_usa_23 at December 16, 2005 09:36 PM


You failed to mention that they will be talking to the FBI as well before they leave, but most importantly, that they want to do some investigating in Birmingham, where I'm sure there are many hidden answers to many questions. Don't think that the Arubans have laid all their cards on the table yet. The most important thing that we have been allowed to know so far is that their eyes are definitely on Birmingham.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at December 17, 2005 4:47 AM

It seems, they are going round and round and
round on a circle and it can be said,"It is not
a closed case" nor "at the dead End?" till all of
you get tired---- then, all of a sudden, somebody
will find out that MB students were at fault and
Natalee Holloway was not there at all --- or something like that --- they have very professional spin doctors --- You read blogs and
figure it out ... THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING
to blame ... then business as usual ... Proof?
Their Prime Minister agreed that mistakes were
made... but who cared to correct them?

Posted by: American,K. at December 16, 2005 11:06 PM

Bla bla bla bla .....

Posted by: Jim Hanson at December 17, 2005 4:50 AM

"And why would the FBI ask Congressman Bacchus to keep silent about what happened in the meeting? They have to know our Tabloid media will spin this against Aruba. I want Aruba to start fighting back against this giant trying to destroy them."

Aruba should have fought the "dragon" long time back; for for whatever reason they didn't, now isn't necessarily exact time to START.

There is ongoing investigation, by all means it looks like ALE submitted material for further processing by American collegues; information of that kind is generally not disclosed to public before the courts, at least by the FBI. It is only natural that Rep. Bachus has been asked to keep it out of media.

Posted by: George at December 17, 2005 5:00 AM

these talking heads dont rep all americans just like the crack heads and people who see bodies in dumpters dont rep all arubans. the people who put the boys in jail are not from the US.

Posted by: rib at December 17, 2005 6:34 AM

Hi Harry,

Thanks for the rundown. As for the It's ok to Lie in Aruba? Shoot, wasn't Joran in Jail for 3 or 4 months for Lying? Or did they have some evidence, doesn't sound like it. So, conclusion, maybe you can't be charged for a crime of lying, but you certainly can get thrown in the slammer for it! I guess, the Twittys should be happy about its ok to lie in Aruba -- Beth seemed to have the heads up on that law.
Would someone check and see how long you would be in Jail for lying in the US?

Aloha, GG

Posted by: Gigi Ola at December 17, 2005 7:56 AM

Obviously,Joran said he left her at the beach so that should be questioned to determine if true or false.Obviously it must be true if he said it!! He seems to have been EXTREMELY truthful throughout so far! Personally, I would go for a swim at 3 AM myself if I was on a beach by myself!! (give me a break!!!) My theory and I'm sure Joran would agree is that a long haired hippie was on the beach and was responsible for her disappearance.Yeah,sure.We had 2 disappearances where I live. One person who is in prison for life said they "dropped their friend off at a restaurant at midnight but they were never seen again. Found 6 months later, killed by the person Who said they "dropped her off".The other was an engaged woman last seen by her boyfriend at daytime in front of a closed club. He said she was on her cell phone when he left her, but only her car was found. He had been breaking up with her.So the hysterical girl on the beach story should be pursued and gone over and over. Also the time frame between c&c's and the beach in detail.People disappear all the time , but we can learn from the other ones to know what sounds suspicious and who the likely suspects are like the people they were last talking to or in a car with.I will not travel to Aruba anymore until they get to the truth. I like cruises that stop at these ports but there are others to spend my money on. Sorry.It's the principle.

Posted by: mimh at December 17, 2005 10:51 AM

Thesse comments came from RWV. It is interesting that there were three district attorneys and that the entire delegation met with the FBI afterward.

Posted by: Mt. Brook Mom | Saturday, December 17, 2005 at 03:21 AM

I find it interesting that there are three district attorneys involved. Also, Bacchus is an attorney himself. Possibly they didn't officially announce it to the press but, since they have been involved in this since day 1, don't you think that representatives from the FBI were there too?

Well, maybe they were at both meetings:
The delegation did not appear afterward with Bachus to answer questions because they were meeting separately with FBI officials. "

Posted by: iwabwu | Saturday, December 17, 2005 at 11:27 AM

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 17, 2005 11:58 AM

Sorry for some reason this top post did not paste.

There was a delegation of 3 District Attorney's that went from Alabama to Washington to meet with those who came up from Aruba to meet with Spenser Bachus today...1 DA was from Shelby County, another from Jefferson County and ???? don't remember where the third one was from...

Posted by: Mt. Brook Mom | Saturday, December 17, 2005 at 03:21 AM

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 17, 2005 12:00 PM

I will not travel to Aruba anymore until they get to the truth. I like cruises that stop at these ports but there are others to spend my money on. Sorry.It's the principle.

Posted by: mimh at December 17, 2005 10:51 AM


mimh -

My guess is that Aruba is a much safer bet. Didn't you see the story earlier this week that 12 people have gone missing from cruise ships in the past two years? I would wager that's one heck of a lot more than went missing in Aruba during that same time frame. That's why this whole boycott thing and "get to the truth" mantra are so bogus. The bottom line is you need to exercise the same common sense you would at home wherever you are. No matter what side of this case you fall on no one can argue with the fact that NH exercised extremely poor judgment in being cautious about her safety.

Posted by: dithers at December 17, 2005 1:43 PM

Dear mimh:

It is always a pleasure to meet someone who likes to bet against the odds. They bring a certain agenda of mystery and adventure to the discussions.

Lessez les bon temps roulez!

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 17, 2005 2:03 PM

SO...NATALEE IS PREGNANT IN ARKANSAS
ONCE SHE GIVES BIRTH IN JANUARY, ALL WILL BE TOLD?
Are there ANY ADULTS in Alabama?
In the FBI?
In AmSouth Bank?
WHAT ARE BETH TWITTY, GRETA, RITA and NANCY Un-GRACE-ful SMOKING?
I would certainly want to see BETH TWITTY and the unGRACEful B-ATCH having to COUGH UP a bunch of bucks to the public for their nonsense these several months!
Where are the ADULTS?

Aloha Pumahana... (amigo)

Jack in Southern California

Posted by: Jack in Southern California at December 17, 2005 2:52 PM

Harry,

There's something I've always wondered and perhaps you can tell me the idea is totally without merit, or if it ever was, certainly is not any longer with what we know today. But since we're obviously looking at a few down days without any new info I thought I'd throw it out there for noodling on just for the heck of it.

We've all seen dozens of movies or t.v. shows where local cops are working on a case only to have the FBI come in and tell them to back off because their investigation is endangering bigger fish the Feds are trying to fry. I've always wondered here because the FBI seems to be so silent on making any kind of statement regarding anything about NH. Perhaps they're working on something else (with or without the Arubans or Dutch) be it prostitution, money laundering, drugs, the mob - the possibilities are endless. Enter the NH case and the ensuing circus - whether the two are entertwined or the NH case is just an unrelated unfortunate happening that brings scrutiny to the island that the FBI/LE don't want. Do you think anything of that nature could possibly at play here?

Posted by: dithers at December 17, 2005 3:15 PM

Harry:

Very interesting events in DC. Do you still think she is alive somewhere??

I saw Greta's 'interview' with the Congressman. It was interesting that she appeared to be the only news person around and he was shown alone--not a glimmer of anyone else from Aruba or Alabama in view. Where was everyone else, still meeting with other officials??

I think it speaks volumes that the Aruban delegation did not even want the Twitty/Holloway legal counsel present at the meetings and of course there could be many many pro/con reasons for that.

As to why the Congressman refused to confirm anything about the FBI's presence or involvement, I can fully understand that. I don't think they like to advertise they are involved in an ongoing case and I admire the Congressman for keeping his mouth shut.

I do hope that the FBI/Aruban LE are setting up formal recorded interviews (complete with court reporter) with each of the MB kids, chaperones and of course the Twitty/Holloway families to finally document everything that was said, done, etc. Why this was not done immediately following her 'missing' status, I will never understand. Of course whomever the 'relative' of Marcia Twitty's is who collected all the cameras and cell phones that evidence is no good as the 'chain of custody' was not maintained. Too bad, I think they probably spoke volumes more.

I'm sure the next few weeks are going to be interesting with many other revelations. Thanks and keep us updated on anything you hear or read.

Posted by: MOEY at December 17, 2005 4:02 PM

If Natalee was pregnant, why would she be dancing on top of a bar and getting drunk every night? Just asking.

Posted by: NSP at December 17, 2005 4:10 PM

After the unexpected declarations of Congressman Spencer Bacchus recognizing the attention, thoroughness, and the resources that Aruban authorities have dedicated to Natalee’scase, many of our fellow bloggers were aghast, extremely distraught, and disappointed with the negative spin that Greta gave to the declarations throughout the rest of her tabloid show, verily turning them of their head!!!

Personally, I can sympathize with all those disappointed by Greta’s blatant “pro-Beth bias” against Aruba, since having denounced myself this “fiasco” since early on, when Beth began making of her “family tragedy” and her “grief” a “Media Circus,” and a “Reality Show;” with Greta and her camera crew following her all throughout Aruba as she imposed her sappy “Pray for Natalee Prayer Cards,” which Beth “hawked” to all unsuspecting Arubans she came across as if she was running for Mayor of Oranjestad, or selling vacuum cleaners door to door, or when she stormed unannounced at the Van Der Sloot home, and humiliated Paulus Van Der Sloot, a mild-mannered man, with her “made for TV theatrics;” and needing at this point an Oral Surgeon to correct my dislocated mandible, result of the many times my jaw has dropped to the floor on account of all the unbelievable absurdities perpetrated, and the mendacity shown, by Beth, the Twitts, and their “Media Monkeys” not to mention the “inbred” politicians of certain southern States, all throughout this fracas, I am quite familiar with the frustration that this “soap opera” be given the kind on notoriety it has gotten, which it does not deserve, especially in light of all the other terrorist attacks, natural disasters, and other calamities which have killed countless thousands, and has affected the lives of millions, which have been ignored or pre-empted to give this Beth-witch air time in which to wail the same old, stale, theatrics she has already used for months, with nothing new to say!!!

But we are forgetting the most crucial development of the day, and that is how when Greta went hounding Congressman Bacchus (I knew someone with that last name couldn't be all bad! Have to send him some Jack Daniels!), as she's often done to Aruban authorities, for the
"scoop," he "slapped" her right in the face in front of the rolling cameras, first by telling her that in his own experience as a Prosecutor in Alabama he's never seen here in the States the kind of resources spent on a murder investigation that Aruba has devoted to this case, and even cited how some murder investigations here in the US are comprised of just one folder, while Aruban authorities have folders upon folders of information that has been gathered and scrutinized in search for answers in Natalee's case, and second, by adamantly refusing to discuss with her, or the Twitt "tattletales," any details of the meeting discussions, since obviously he's aware that Greta and her ilk will spin any facts that are released to Beth's advantage, and then he went on to insinuate when she had asked "what had most damaged the investigation," obviously trying to exact from him some kind of reference that she could later spin to impute the Aruban authorities once again, as she has so often done in the past, with having been the ones who "bungled" the investigation, he replied the shows like her's, and the media had!!!

I guess I was one up on you guys, because as soon as I saw her interviewing "Jughead," of all people, on the phone, I just turned her off, knowing that if I gave her half a chance she would spin everything that I had witnessed on TV with my own eyes, into quite the opposite, and make me sick to the stomach once again, as apparently happened to you guys! LOL!

Beth must be very, very disappointed in Congressman Bacchus, and must be wondering why, as she often likes to call those who see through her farce, he's been so "mean spirited!" Ha!

As for Greta, she is increasingly proving every day, that compared to her the folks at “The National Enquirer” are “Paragons of Journalism,” and that for all of her “exalted status” at “Faux News,”......she’s nothing but a “scandalmonger,” and a hack!!!

Sorry Greta, but if Elvis was alive, he would tell you that “you are nothing but a hound dog!” Such a shame, to throw away a career like that on account of Beth!!!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 4:12 PM

So Harry, I'll ask you, and anyone else for that matter. Where do you think validity of this bocott stands right now? Two factors brought this boycott on. 1) The doctored Dr Phil Tape that the FBI and Skeeters seem to be totally ignoring now. It's obvious that the "Skeeter's" credibility has been washed down the toilet. He hasn't done a thing to protect it in a month now. Neither has the FBI. 2) The fact that the ALE was not doing a proper job in finding Natalee Holloway.

Alabama has now been informed that the ALE have in fact done a very professional job, and are continuing to do so. Skeeter et al will not face up to the DFI findings regarding the fraudulent tape aired on the Dr Phil show.

Isn't this enough to lift the boycott now? I certainly think so.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at December 17, 2005 4:12 PM

The last vacation I went on was Jan 2002, it was a carnival cruise and it stopped in Curucao and Aruba plus 2 additional stops. I remember that tourism in the Carribean was down because we traveled only 4 months after 9/11. Even the people on Aruba looked like they were grateful we came anyway.They were short on tourists.Just feel bad for Arubans.The only thing to make this story go away would be to find Natalee's body. I really doubt she is still alive.How much is the reward for information to solve the case? When you have like however many channels there are on cable TV, they have to fill all that airtime and if no new story comes along they will stay on a sensational story like this one, trust me forEVER so good luck if you think it is going away.We are talking 24 hour channels here. Even if Beth Twitty decides to give up her search, the media has what we call SLOW news days and then will use this story to fill in airtime.Beth Twitty got media savvy real fast because she had a missing child, every parents worst nightmare happened on Aruba. Every lead still needs to be pursued, rewards posted and increased.I am sure the holidays will be a bad time for Natalees family.With so much venom regarding Beth, ALabama, Natalee,and the American media are Americans still welcome in Aruba for vacations? It is hard to know. It is such a political hot potato I would be afraid to go there.Does anyone know where the Slopaks and VDS are spending X-mas? Sorry, I hope the case gets solved and that Aruba doesn't suffer too much or her family.

Posted by: java at December 17, 2005 4:32 PM

Beth harped too much for too long about Saint Natalee being pure, blah, blah, for it to sound reasonable, especially considering all that had happened for the 5 days the students were in Aruba. She had to draw attention to that esp, since she likely knew Natalee was pregnant with a certain undisclosed's baby! Somewhere it was mentioned that Beth and Jug told the chaperones not to be hounding Natalee, to give her some room. I wonder why she needed the room? To reel in Joran for the take, accuse him of rape, and eventually the father of her child (we haven't reached that part yet)to HIDE THE REAL FATHER OF THE BABY! Because she knew that the A boys would be discussing this amongst themselves and find none of them were the fathers! An elaborate ruse that might have worked with the help of the CRAZED media, except they underestimated the intelligence of the general population.
Quite a shame for America that the Beth troupe and the media (mainly disgraceful Nancy, Greta, and the stuck on stupid Rita)terrorized that beautiful little Island of Aruba. Many people see this attitude as NOT unusual of some Americans. It certainly puts America in a bad spotlight.

Posted by: i perp at December 17, 2005 4:43 PM

I think caution will be taken on cruises now also because of recent bad publicity. That would hurt Aruba too, with it being a regular stop.I hope it doesn't carryover to the Carribean as a general destination.Did Joran and his Dad or the Slopak brothers ever take lie detector tests? That would probably help a lot of Americans feel better if it was done, but I'm sure their lawyers would not permit it. In the US, results aren't admissible in court. What about Dutch law? If they were innocent, I think they would volunteer to clear their names. But demand the best polygrapher available and of their choice.I bet the Queen of the Netherlands is royally pissed at that stupid VDS family!!!!!!:>)I'd like to be a fly on her wall!!! Or the VDS for that matter!!!! Sorry, Joran, you already had sex with a drunk, unconscious girl this year! No more for you!!! Daddy can't keep cleaning up after you , now can he!!!!!!But Merry Christmas anyway !!! Have you found a girlfriend at school yet???? Thank god she's still alive!!! well, it's only been one semester. Whew!!!!!

Posted by: Kara at December 17, 2005 4:53 PM

Well Jim, so far Bethie and the wagging tongues have chosen to ignore the positives of the meeting, looking only for the negative outcome, unfortunately for such closed minds. It seems that the same day of the meeting Beth was still getting excited about Georgia joining their bandwagon. They are in total denial, so it will have to be up to other reasonable people like Bacchus to undo the damage.
Will somebody duct tape Rita and Disgrace please? Greta is almost bearable, however for having been a lawyer, she isn't all that intelligent.

Posted by: iperp at December 17, 2005 4:54 PM

Kara and the other poster! Slopak? Are you ditsy broad?
As if the Queen is glued to this topic that has become so rediculous!! Only in America!!! You've heard what has been said about American women going to Aruba and ending up in a crackhouse for days before finally getting back to their hotel rooms. Doesn't give a prety picture of American women, does it?

Posted by: i perp at December 17, 2005 4:59 PM

Java, please quit drinking your poison laced
"Beth Kool Aid!" This is not an "International Incident!" This is a "family tragedy like those that happen every day here in America and all over the world!!!

It is the American Cable media, and the "limelight savvy" Beth bitch which have turned the world upside down, and that have ignored the London terrorist bombings, floods in India killing thousands, three devastating hurricanes here in America one of which almost obliterated New Orleans, killer floods in the North East and killer Tornadoes in the mid-west of the US, monumental earhquakes in Pakistan, and sundry other natural disasters, and calamities, or pre-empted their coverage, so that this hateful, vengeful, Banshee can for the umpteenth time regale us with her stale, old theatrics, with nothing new to say!!!

It is time that someone puts this media maven, narcissistic witch, addicted to the "limelight" and the "celebrity status" she has gained thanks to her daughter's demise, in her place!!!

There are far more crucial matters we should all be focusing on as a Nation at this pivotal point in our Nation's history, that will not only affect our future, but may well change the fate of the world, to be indulging in this Beth "Soap Opera Melodrama!"

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 4:59 PM

I think Bachus did drop a bombshell didn`t he! LMAO the kool-aide drinkers are going nuts now, whoopsie Now the MBH students are getting grilled it`s about time! I don`t think Joran needs an unconscious girl, he looks too cute they hanging on him like flies Kara!

Posted by: nana Author Profile Page at December 17, 2005 5:08 PM

Dear HyScience,

Please take notice of "two" posters ("Kara" and "java") using the same misspelling ("Slopak"). :-)

Posted by: George at December 17, 2005 5:11 PM

Have you seen how Greta's viewership numbers have fallen in recent weeks compared to their highs when this thing was hot and heavy? Same with Nancy G. And, I should add, when people still thought they were being honest brokers of what was transpiring. I used to be a 24/7 Fox News groupie, but except for Britt Hume, they've become a cartoon. For as much as the MSM tries to hide their actions behind the First Amendment, I believe they are the very ones doing the most harm to the very idea of a free press that truly exists to keep us all honestly informed. To think of all those years we believed "Uncle Walter" had our best interests at heart. As the NH case has proved in glaring technicolor, it's a pretty disheartening scenario.

Posted by: dithers at December 17, 2005 5:11 PM

Americans DO fight fiercely if a child goes missing.Maybe it is just an American trait??? I don't watch cable and am an American so I don't even know the broadcasters you are talking about here. There are so many channels, but not everyone watches them.I THINK THE PREGNANCY STORY IS THE MOST STUPID THING I'VE HEARD SO FAR. TALK ABOUT BLAMING THE VICTIM.Please, try and stay within the realm of believablity. It only makes it worse to expand the story more and more.I guess poor Joran couldn't protect himself from Natalee as she screamed at him "You WIll be the father of my baby !!!!!!!" because you must!!!! Then, unfortunately he had to kill her in self defense!!!!!! And she seemed so unconscious when he took her in his car!!!!!!! How could he have used such poor judgement????? (sorry for the judge reference)

Posted by: cha cha at December 17, 2005 5:12 PM

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Alabama has now been informed that the ALE have in fact done a very professional job, and are continuing to do so. Skeeter et al will not face up to the DFI findings regarding the fraudulent tape aired on the Dr Phil show.

Isn't this enough to lift the boycott now? I certainly think so.

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What boycott? Aruban tourism is at the worst normal, if not booming, and all the calls for "boycott" from Beth, the Cable Pundits, and these "inbred" politicians from certain States in the South, have apparently had very little, if no effect!!!

It is the "Cable Media," Greta and Rita, Nancy Grace and Abrams, that have given us the wrong impression of the "effectiveness" of this "boycott," and to that end I have written the following piece, which tongue in cheek, I have called "Tale of Two Cities" 'a la' Charles Dickens! I hope you guys find it "illuminating!"

Here it is:


"A Tale of Two Cities"

"Oranjestad the Reality"

It is a beautiful morning. The skies are as blue as an exquisite, gigantic topaz. The sun casts its warmth in all its glory, and a gentle breeze wafts the whitecaps that break upon the shimmering, sandy beaches like a myriad fingers caressing the gentle land.

The land slowly awakes to another day. Beth may come, Beth may go, but the sun also rises! The laid back pace of the place begins to be abuzz with the morning activities. The smell of the conch fritters, and the fried plaintains, begins to permeate the air around the local coffee shops along with the aroma of strong cappucino coffee. In the distance a woman merrily sings in Papamientu to herself while engaged in her daily chores oblivious to all the cares of this old, tired world, beyond the shores of the island. The kids make their way to school careening and playing games with not a care in the world, with only such innocence as you find in the blessedness of youth, and the people begin their bustle in the streets of Oranjestad.

Several Cruise ship await their turn entering the port, bellowing joyfully their majestic presence with their fog horns in the distance. The beaches begin to be populated by the many tourists that have come which bespeckle in their colorful bathing suits the powder white sand in front of the elegant hotels, which deck the shores in a row, like a string of glimmering , precious pearls. The pool area of the hotels is alive with the sound of splashing, and laughter, the Caribbean music playing in the background, as people smile in joy, and relax their cares away under the warming touches of the Aruban sun. It is another wonderful day in Aruba!


"Oranjestad the Portrayal"


Dour faced Greta Van Sustern sits in front of the cameras. The topic of her show, as if anything else could possibly be discussed at Fox, is Natalee Holloway’s fabled disappearance in Aruba.

Tonight she will once more discuss ad nauseam the current “boycott” of Aruba as she has redundantly done so night, after night in the last days; but then redundancy has become synonymous with Beth Twitty’s tired allegations and innuendos, and Fox’s obsessive, excessive coverage of the fiasco, devoting three quarters of her one hour long show to hashing and rehashing all that has already been exhaustively discussed!

She begins by once more interviewing Beth Twitty, same as she has almost nightly for close to an interminable five months! Beth launches again into her raucous attacks thinly veiled in a veneer of false piety as she spews her venom. For all of being a Speech Pathologist professionally, her limited vocabulary ( “...well...you know Greta....I mean...I don’t know....you know....”), her shrill voice, and her overly inflected, theatrical, “Vivien Leigh - Gone With the Wind- Genteel Southern” accent grates the senses much like when someone scrapes a blackboard with their nails, and makes one shudder; as she wails like some vengeful Banshee that will not be silenced in her bloodlust for a sacrifice!

Beth is followed by a “Panel of Experts” who will further repeat everything that has already been discussed to stupefaction.

In a split screen you see Greta on the left side of the screen, with the four panelists populating the right side, boxed in a manner reminiscent of the Hollywood squares, and acting much like talking head “muppets” in their mannerisms, echoing in a chorus of agreement every pro-boycott, anti-Aruba sentiment been propagated in the show to the mutual agreement and patting in the back of all involved. The performance, were it not so pathetic, would be comical, and while watching the panelists, one almost has the nagging expectation to see Miss Piggy parade unto the screen to lend her invaluable support for the boycott!

According to Beth, and these pundits, the boycott is a resounding success! They describe with glee the privations being suffered by the Aruban people:

The streets of Aruba are empty. The skies are gray and hazy, as if reflecting the woe of the island. Starving Arubans pace the streets in a desperate search for food scraps, emaciated and frail.

The empty Hotels have fallen into disrepair, and their once glimmering images dot the crabby, rocky shores like some derelict shipwrecks dotting the shores of a cursed island inviting disaster. The wharfs are empty; the Cruise ships come no more. In the streets of Oranjestad crime is rampant, and riotous mobs congregate in front of the Prime Minister’s Offices in a populist “Bethschevik Revolution” calling for the overthrow of the “corrupt” Regime. Internal strife within the Government reflects the turmoil outside.

It has been a week since Beth Twitty launched her ominous boycott of Aruba, and on the island everything is desolation...but it serves the callous people of Aruba right! Precious Natalee has been lost to us....and to the world upon that wretched soil....and we will see her no more whirling her baton!

Aruba should have known better, they should have complied, and not have wrought Beth’s anger for harboring three murderous rapists amongst them, and for failing to judiciously follow her every whim! For hell holds no greater fury, than a Banshee scorned!

So apparently, Beth’s boycott of Aruba is an unqualified success, and there are expectations that all the hunger and the misery will finally force the Aruban people to ignore their archaic, inefficient laws, and comply in prosecuting the suspects as it is Beth’s will!


Now, which tale reflects reality, and which propaganda, malice, and wishful thinking; and yet by its sheer pervasiveness be perceived as the truth, and in some twisted perverse way seek to self fulfill its fallacious woe? Let the perspicacious reader decide!


Althor Dickens :)

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 5:18 PM

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You have to be kidding!!! Now we Americans have an exclusivity to the "parental instincts" not only shared by humans and mammals, but also evidenced in many other animal species?!?!

Wow! Only great ignorance can make of such a universal biological constant an "American trait!"

LMAO!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 5:25 PM

Sorry, i-perp, you sound totally psychotic.If you are on crack yourself, that might explain it. If you are an Aruban, that gives me more reason to stay away.Maybe American women should boycott Aruba. This board is too strange, if you know what I'm saying, but you probably don't because you all sound kind of creepy. So no more on here for me. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.But I will go where there is a more sane discussion.You guys must be posting from the cybercafe!!!! Or Joran's dorm room!!!!!!Bye Sorry but I HAVE a life!!!!!! Too bad Natalee doesn't.....................

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Sorry but I HAVE a life!!!!!! Too bad Natalee doesn't.....................

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Where do you have a life, in Mountain Brook???

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 5:32 PM

If Natalee was pregnant, why would she be dancing on top of a bar and getting drunk every night? Just asking.

the same reason she left with 3 guys!!! maybe the boys were wright? she was sick!!! or maybe a slut! does not sound like a honer student to me!!!

Posted by: rib at December 17, 2005 5:34 PM

THORA
I love that name! Where did it come from?
I'm not Aruban, nor American, nor Dutch! Is there any other nationality you hate, my dear American?
I'm not on crack, but according to statistics, the Americans have the highest rate of crack usage! Also the highest rate of crime involving crack! Also the highest number of psychotics!

Posted by: i perp at December 17, 2005 5:36 PM

oops, I meant Althor sounds psychotic!!!!! Bye Bye!!! That description of Beth puts you on the major psycho list!!!! You must be Joran posting from the Netherlands or home.!!!!!! I would NOT be surprised!!!!

Posted by: Thor at December 17, 2005 5:38 PM

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You would imagine that being the "Cornucopia of the World" that so many illegal immigrants are desperately trying to reach invading our shores, this would not be so, and that everyone in America would live "Happily Everafter!" But you are right, which goes to show that emphasis on "hedonistic materialism" does not "fulfill" the human spirit, nor brings happiness in and of itself!!! Good point!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 5:43 PM

Thora is for Thorazine, you idiots, Which is a medication for psychotic people like the ones on this board. That's what brought it to mind-you!!!!Thats why I typed that in. Now I will eliminate Hyscience from my computer list!!!!Get a life!!!!

Posted by: Thora at December 17, 2005 5:46 PM

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oops, I meant Althor sounds psychotic!!!!! Bye Bye!!! That description of Beth puts you on the major psycho list!!!! You must be Joran posting from the Netherlands or home.!!!!!! I would NOT be surprised!!!!

Thor
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Oh please!!! Can we be realistic here for a second, and stop pushing the "sappy" Beth propaganda?!?! Let us get "real!"

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 5:46 PM

Nana wrote: "I think Bachus did drop a bombshell didn`t he!"

I wonder if he would do this when this case wasn't close to be resolved. But i don't have the insight very well when it is about politics in certain states. But then again, I don't think he would drop a bombshell like this when there were no leads whatsoever.

Posted by: Hollandaise at December 17, 2005 6:20 PM

Please pray for Natalee and her family. Regardless of your feelings for Beth, Jug, Dave, and Robin, the anguish and agony of this holiday season has to be horrendous. Hopefully 2006 will bring resolution to the disappearance of Natalee. That is something else we can all pray for.

Posted by: jewels at December 17, 2005 6:55 PM

I would have thought someone would compliment me about my "Tales of Two Cities," but apparently Beth is the only one worth of praise by some people! ROFLMAO!

Althor :D

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 7:02 PM

It was suggested on another board that yes Natalee was pregnant - however since she was not at all happy about it and most especially who the father was that her behavior in Aruba drinking and whaterver seemed to indicate that she might have been trying to miscarry - or at the very least not show a contentment or happiness about the baby.

Posted by: Jan at December 17, 2005 7:07 PM

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Please pray for Natalee and her family. Regardless of your feelings for Beth, Jug, Dave, and Robin, the anguish and agony of this holiday season has to be horrendous. Hopefully 2006 will bring resolution to the disappearance of Natalee. That is something else we can all pray for.

Jewel
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I forgot that many of you consider "loving your offsprings" an "American virtue."

I can assure you that those mothers in India that lost their children to the floods, or those in New Orleans, or in the earthquake in Pakistan, cared for their children just as much as you do, and some of them, like me, would not have subjected my daughter's sacred memory to be exploited by the media so that I could bask in the "celebrity status," and the "limelight" as this Beth bitch has!!!

I will pray to God to forgive Natalee, if indeed she's dead, and this is not a scam, for whatever sins she may have accrued, even her lack of common sense in going off into the night with three strange males to play "Patty Cake" with them!!!

But may God damn Beth for making of the solemnity of her daughter's loss a "scandal" and the fodder for the "scandalmongers" and the "Cable News whores!"

In order to stay in the "limelight" she has lied, insinuated, defamed, and engaged in all sorts of behavior not becoming a mother who truly grieves the loss of her child, making of her daughter's disappearance nothing but the butt of sexual jokes, a farce, a "Media Circus," a "Soap Opera Melodrama" with all her "staged" antics as at the Internet Cafe, and a "TV Reality Show" as when she was "hawking" "Pray for Natalee" cards on the unsuspecting Arubans, as if she were running for Mayor, or a door to door salesman, or intruding upon the Van Der Sloots the way she did humiliating in front of the cameras a "mild-mannered man," making of it all, a television farce, and a mockery to her daughter's memory, if indde she is dead, and did not run away in horror from the mother that nature unfortunately gave her!!!

It is time to set the "Kool Aid" aside, and the "sappiness," and to address the truth, and the real issues!!!

Beth has a lot to answer for, her ingratitude to the Aruban people not the least of her sins!!!

May God rebuke her!!!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 7:25 PM

"As if the Queen is glued to this topic that has become so rediculous!!"

IPERP -- are you serious about making fun of spelling?

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"As if the Queen is glued to this topic that has become so rediculous!!"

IPERP -- are you serious about making fun of spelling?

Gigi Ola
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Her Majesty Queen Beatrice must look with sadness, compassion, and amusement at the "Circus" Beth has made of her daughter's loss!!! Beth is a product of the society that reared her! Sad!!!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 7:55 PM

Queen Beatrix had a nice complimentary diner for her 25th anniversary of being Queen,with all of her ministers including Nelson Oduber from Aruba (must be a conspiracy..lol),and former ministers.


Althor my compliments about your "Tales of Two Cities"!! ;) I like your style!

Posted by: nana Author Profile Page at December 17, 2005 8:21 PM

Normally I am not interested in all the people missing here and there, but Natalee Holloway's story has become interesting, because it involves politics, intrigue, cover ups, obsessed media, a hysterical mother, boycotts and much much more.

Unfortunately, it is a shame that one family should have so much influence to try to destroy an island and so many gullable Americans, including Greta and Rita help in this destruction.

Personally, at age 67 I have always believed that she is still alive, call it intuition or just common sence from someone who has been around. I don't know which speculation about her whereabouts I believe but one thing is sure, she is not dead on the island of Aruba.

Boy, would it not be great if she would finally come forward next year and throw egg on Greta and Rita and Alabama and Georgia and Arkansas.

This entire episode happans to be a sideshow of a grand old circus. Iraq is the main event and in order to entertain some others we have Natalee Holloway.

Thanks for keeping up on this story, though, because it is much greater than a missing girl.


Posted by: Inge Hanson at December 17, 2005 8:31 PM

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Althor my compliments about your "Tales of Two Cities"!! ;) I like your style!

Nana
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Thank you very much Nana! I am obliged! Yet, in spite of all its faults, I feel compelled to uphold a land of which you have not a dream
unless you have experienced it!

I am a Conservative American, and I am proud of it!!

Conservative does not mean to be a prude, or ignorant. Conservative means to remember your Fathers before you, in spite of their human frailities!

I am proud to be an American!!! I am proud of my Fathers!!!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 8:36 PM

@Chacha, Thora, java, kara : You have make the best choice, To whom should be thank for you no to visit Aruba, people like you are not welcome any place.
Sure is funny to have some clowns in the blog in order to have some kind of different opinions, but after a while is tedious, getting bored of al the nonsense posts that you are making.
I do agreed that you are Beth followers no problem but if you are going to try to put her points of view, please verify notes, arguments. Then post. We are not trying to have a guilty one; we are trying to find out Where Natalee could be. Nevertheless, if you think in this blog we have a poesy done for Natalee or a prayer to encourage Beth or Dave to have more money in their fund, think you are in the wrong site.
By the way, Mr. Bacchus gave the best response to Greta that I could imagine. Hope he also gets to talk with DisGrace, for sure Geraldo. Mrs. Dubois did not see the meeting in her crystal ball, strange a medium that specializes only with the past.

Posted by: antoinette at December 17, 2005 8:53 PM

My my ... who are the "Slopaks"? I see there's been quite a breese of hostility that's run through this blog today. I have a good idea why.

I check posts (no longer post there though) written by the "young redneck rebels" at Scared Monkeys once a day for a chuckle. I've noticed that SM hasn't released any posts in 2 days now. Looks to me as though the spunky little Monkeyites need a place to vent their anger and have chosen Hyscience.

I hope Scared Monkeys release their posts asap so we will no longer have to deal with these inane little people.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at December 17, 2005 9:13 PM

PS .. Althor, I read your piece on Aruba and I thoroughly enjoyed it!

Antoinette ... don't even lower yourself to read these posts written by these twerps. Yesterday's news has obviously hit them right between the eyes and they've lost what sense of reality they had left in the first place.

When the anti-depressants kick in at Scared Monkeys and they release all the nasty, hateful posts that these peons have been waiting to read over there, they will disappear and be back there like rats on a dead skunk.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at December 17, 2005 9:22 PM

"One of the positives was the revelation that the Mountain Brook students would be investigated. We could read into that that someone may have resisted that effort."

Dear Harry,

The latter is explicitly confirmed - http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051217/NEWS02/512170347/1009 : "And the parents of some of the children on the trip do not want Aruban police talking to their children, Bachus said".

Posted by: George at December 17, 2005 9:34 PM

I, as an American, have had enough of their rantings! I just wish to hell that they would be decent enough not to impose the fate of this "Girl Gone Wild" as we see every night on our television screens upon us!!!

The hell with her!!!

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 10:05 PM

Dear George:

Thank you for the confirmation! I had a suspicion the Mountain Brook folks were in opposition to any interviews of their children by the police. Those kids know what happened.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 17, 2005 10:43 PM

Dear Jim:

I can only comment what has been reported on the boycott. Financially, there has been no effect. Primarily, this is due to the area of the United States from where most American tourists to Aruba emanate: North and Northeast. Politically, the United States seems to ignore it. I believe the cable news networks have made much ado about nothing. The Arubans came to Washington, DC for a reason, apparently suppressed by the cable news networks. This was a serious meeting about an investigation being stonewalled, via extortion, by the Alabama gang.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 17, 2005 11:08 PM

"This was a serious meeting about an investigation being stonewalled, via extortion, by the Alabama gang."

As in an ongoing extortion (the donations drives), or perhaps by way of an in-the-future demand for millions in compensation?

They'd better look over their shoulders, then; European defamation and libel laws are ferocious and the time frame from malign-the-schmuck to sign-the-check is remarkably short.

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/05dec/article219.html

"...Just last week, the American cyclist, Lance Armstrong, was indicted and scheduled to appear, on March 27, in an Italian court to answer charges of defaming cyclist Filippo Simeoni during last year’s in-France Tour de France. In an even more chilling (and much more amusing) news report, it was revealed that the U.S. actress, Teri Hatcher, has won “substantial damages” in London’s High Court in a case that took a mere 143 days to resolve (from July 25, 2005, to December 15), proving, once again, that judicial jurisdiction-shopping can lead to speedy resolutions, as empty rhetoric and meaningless grandstanding are not permitted in European court rooms..."

Posted by: Dayo Gould at December 18, 2005 12:02 AM

SNIP: It is time that someone puts this media maven, narcissistic witch, addicted to the "limelight" and the "celebrity status" she has gained thanks to her daughter's demise, in her place!!!

Posted by: Althor at December 17, 2005 04:59 PM

BRAVO.
You've got my vote

Posted by: Max at December 18, 2005 1:57 AM

SNIP: To think of all those years we believed "Uncle Walter" had our best interests at heart. As the NH case has proved in glaring technicolor, it's a pretty disheartening scenario.

Posted by: dithers at December 17, 2005 05:11 PM

Great post. It is sad to see what Fox has allowed programs like Greta's to do to its credibility

Posted by: Max at December 18, 2005 2:06 AM

To All:

Aruba Truth has a new report:

http://www.arubatruth.com/

"A spirit of cooperation and understanding emerged from the session. The boycott by the Alabama governor was not discussed. The session was totally informational and not based upon altering the boycott.

Georgia Boycott

This boycott like the others is a crude attempt to bully Aruba."

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 18, 2005 2:36 AM

Hi Harry,

I am spending time with the family too but I had to peak in. You should be honored Harry. Someone now views you and this blog as a threat. The "wrecking crew" has been sent out on a mission: "to disrupt your blog and its posters so that they can't unover any more information that might point in the direction of their "sweet home".

That should be all the proof that you and the other posters need to realize that your suppostion about all of this is probably "really, really close to the truth". Keep going Harry and one and all, for the sake of this poor girl, the truth must be uncovered.

Thanks. Btw, Althor I have enjoyed reading your posts everywhere. It was fun watching you get banned! George, you are meticulous. Antoinette you are just a lovely person. Jim, what can I say, you have a huge heart. These are the posters who were posting with me all along. Hope I get to know the new posters and continue to read some of the intermittent posters. Thanks to all.

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 18, 2005 3:29 AM

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For better or for worse I have denounced this travesty from the very beginning! I find it amazing that I have been subjected to so much infamy, defamation, and calumny for simply pointing out that this is a "family tragedy" that should not involve the concern of the entire Nation in these perilous times!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 18, 2005 3:47 AM

Hi Harry ... I phoned 3 large travel agents about Aruba travel and posted the results on the previous thread. I already know what you mentioned but what I really wanted to know was if you or anyone else felt because of A) The results of the meeting on Friday and B) The lack of response from Skeeters and the FBI regarding the Dr Phil fraud, that the boycott is no longer valid and should be lifted. I for one believe it should be.


Posted by: Jim Hanson at December 18, 2005 5:53 AM

From the start The holloway-twetty's interfered with the case.
1. they said she was missing, muder ,kidnaped .
2. they said the 3 kids confessed
3. they said they were rappist and had raped other young girls and they said they had pictures of some of the rapes!!!where are they?
4.they said pvs was guilty because he was sweating ..when he had a flim crew in his Home and his son life was being ruined ,it also was 95 and humid.
5.said they had prof from the casino, the pond, the dump, the duck tape,the fishermans hut,the knife, the sneakers, the Talking HEADS AND SORRY TO SAY SO DID THE HOLLOWAY-TWITTY'S.DID NOT THINK ALL THESE REPORTS WERE INTERFERING WITH THE CASE> bull!!
ALL THEY CARED ABOUT WAS RATTINGS>>

Posted by: rib at December 18, 2005 6:27 AM

You can watch here the documentary of Robert Greenwald (OUTFOXED)for free about the biased and political news soaps of Fox news corperation of Rupert Murdoch. http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/19365659/ (dutch subtitling)

Posted by: TJ at December 18, 2005 8:01 AM

Oh althor,
I have enjoyed reading all of your posts, in many different places. You are a very skilled writer. I was simply intimating that you were making sense and that some of the boards resembled small children looking at you with their fingers in their ears saying "I'm not listening" and that was extrememely childish and commical. Alas, because you were saying what you believed from the getgo you were the "hot potatoe" on all the blogs.
That doesn't mean that you will not ultimately turn out to be completely right about this.
I have always agree with your point that there wwere quite a few very important things going on in our nation and most people missed them but paid attention to this.

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 18, 2005 12:05 PM

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Oh Althor,
I have enjoyed reading all of your posts, in many different places. You are a very skilled writer. I was simply intimating that you were making sense and that some of the boards resembled small children looking at you with their fingers in their ears saying "I'm not listening" and that was extrememely childish and commical. Alas, because you were saying what you believed from the getgo you were the "hot potatoe" on all the blogs.

Little Bo Peep
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Why thank you Little Bo Peep!!! What a nice compliment! As you may imagine I have had many dolls made in my image stuck with all sorts of needles, but not many nice compliments like that! Thanks!!!

Does that mean that it is true then that when Beth and Marcia hear of, or see the Name "Althor" on a post, they "cringe"?!?! LMAO!!!


Althor :D


Posted by: Althor at December 18, 2005 12:15 PM

For better or for worse I have denounced this travesty from the very beginning! I find it amazing that I have been subjected to so much infamy, defamation, and calumny for simply pointing out that this is a "family tragedy" that should not involve the concern of the entire Nation in these perilous times!

Althor

Hi Althor,
I have a question for you since I believe you have the insight to respond reasonably. You are one of my favorite posters. Here goes: Why would the FBI send 13 agents to Aruba to work a case about a supposedly missing NOBODY teenager? Do you remember the snipers in the Washington DC area a few years ago? When these men were KILLING people almost every day? I seem to remember a newscaster saying the FBI had put on TEN agents to work the case with the local police. It was like saying "this is such a serious case we have to put on not one, not five but TEN agents to find this sniper." Even though the FBI was overwhelmed and undermanned with the current terrorist threat to our country. Now we have an Alabama Congressman telling us after only two days he gets the FBI to send, not TEN, but THIRTEEN agents to a tiny Island of only 100,000 people to help find one supposedly missing teenager that is VIRTUALLY a NOBODY, when we have thousands of missing children in this country. Something is rotten in this case and it's not Aruba. I want to know why the over kill with law enforcement. Can you shed any light on this puzzling situation? One more thing, Beth groupies say the FBI doesn't comment on on going cases. Not true, they have spokespersons that give press briefing on a lot of cases UNLESS, it has to do with National Security or the life of a kidnapped victim is being held for ransom. Natalee Holloway is not being ramsomed nor is she a victim involving our National Security, something else is going on and no body is telling the truth. Not all of out here are stupid.

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 18, 2005 3:35 PM

Dear Flightoffancy,

It is simply because the media has blown the running away/disappearance/murder of this miscreant "Girl Gone Wild in Aruba" out of all proportion, and even at the FBI, more attention is being paid to this "fiasco" than to our National Security!!! (Not to mention that it is easier to go after and bully Arubans, than Islamist terrorists!)

What can I say? It is one of the many fallouts of this farce, which has "stupefied" America in these perilous times!!!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 18, 2005 3:45 PM

Flight,
Those are solid obsservations and valid questions. I wonder if they will ever be answered.
It is true. Some out in the world are thinking people who cannot be misled.

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 18, 2005 4:04 PM

Dear Flightoffancy,

It is simply because the media has blown the running away/disappearance/murder of this miscreant "Girl Gone Wild in Aruba" out of all proportion, and even at the FBI, more attention is being paid to this "fiasco" than to our National Security!!! (Not to mention that it is easier to go after and bully Arubans, than Islamist terrorists!)

What can I say? It is one of the many fallouts of this farce, which has "stupefied" America in these perilous times!!!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 18, 2005 03:45 PM

Hi Althor,
Thanks for the quick response. And I would agree with you about the media storm except for one thing I mentioned in my post, the Congressman said he sent the 13 FBI agents down there after Natalee only missing for two days. There was no media storm then, it was barley mentioned in the news then. It was even reported that Secretary Rice called the PM within the first week to ask him to pull out all the stops to find this girl. This is a NOBODY teenager, why the overkill?

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 18, 2005 4:35 PM

To All:

With respect to the question of increased FBI presence, another issue unraveling is the pressure being put upon Aruba and the Netherlands over some sea boundaries by Venezuela. Venezuela has been encroaching into the seas controlled by the Kingdom of the Netherlands. At the same, drug trafficking has increased in this very same area. In order for drug trafficking to succeed, some Americans must be in cahoots with the Venezuelan drug traffickers. Whether these two issues are connected with Natalee's disappearance, I have no idea. However, I have exposed enough data to suggest some kind of peripheral connection could be possible.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 18, 2005 4:40 PM

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Hi Althor,
Thanks for the quick response. And I would agree with you about the media storm except for one thing I mentioned in my post, the Congressman said he sent the 13 FBI agents down there after Natalee only missing for two days. There was no media storm then, it was barley mentioned in the news then. It was even reported that Secretary Rice called the PM within the first week to ask him to pull out all the stops to find this girl. This is a NOBODY teenager, why the overkill?

Flightoffancy
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Sorry Flight, but I just don't see drunk, over-sexed, slutty Natalee of J2K "Menage a Quatre" fame being a "Special Agent," or the Mountain Brook inbred equivalent of Pierce Brosnan and 007!

Whatever other concerns the State Department may have in the area, I am sure it has nothing to do with her, or her mother's "Media Circus!"

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 18, 2005 4:58 PM

Harry,

Could this line of thinking tie in with the question I posed yesterday that maybe the dearth of info coming from FBI and LE in general was because the NH case was bringing too much attention to an island/area where FBI/LE were already working on reeling in much larger fish - something totally unrelated to NH? OF course, even if so, that doesn't explain what happened to NH.

Posted by: dithers at December 18, 2005 5:02 PM

SNIP: Whether these two issues are connected with Natalee's disappearance, I have no idea. However, I have exposed enough data to suggest some kind of peripheral connection could be possible.

Posted by: harry at December 18, 2005 04:40 PM

You certainly have, Harry, and some of the data you posted is making me think that Flight is onto something.

Posted by: Max at December 18, 2005 5:28 PM

To All:

With respect to the question of increased FBI presence, another issue unraveling is the pressure being put upon Aruba and the Netherlands over some sea boundaries by Venezuela. Venezuela has been encroaching into the seas controlled by the Kingdom of the Netherlands. At the same, drug trafficking has increased in this very same area. In order for drug trafficking to succeed, some Americans must be in cahoots with the Venezuelan drug traffickers. Whether these two issues are connected with Natalee's disappearance, I have no idea. However, I have exposed enough data to suggest some kind of peripheral connection could be possible.

With Aloha,

Harry

Hi Harry,
Thanks for giving us your insight into the FBI presence and I do remember what you posted about the possible connection. It's definitely not a routine missing person's case and I believe you are right about the letter most likely being geniune. What did you gather from the Congressmans remarks about, "the circumstances were disturbing," then when on to further elaberate, "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of."? Does any of that make sense to you? Dago said, there was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off. I know from your many posts on the subject that Jossy Mansur is involved in this mess up to his eye teeth. And the connection to the Twitty AM South Bank is chilling. Do you really believe we will ever find out the truth of this fiasco?

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 18, 2005 5:31 PM

With respect to the question of increased FBI presence, another issue unraveling is the pressure being put upon Aruba and the Netherlands over some sea boundaries by Venezuela. Venezuela has been encroaching into the seas controlled by the Kingdom of the Netherlands

Hi Harry,
Forgot to ask. How long has this pressure been put on Aruba and the Netherlands by Venezuela?

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 18, 2005 5:38 PM

Another question fellow posters:
What happened to the Aruban Prosecutor Karen J.? Jossy Mansur said she would be fired by the 16th and we would hear within two hours. I believe he said that on Greta's show on Friday. Has anyone heard about her fate?

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 18, 2005 5:57 PM

Dear flightoffancy:

Karin Janssen remains chief prosecutor on the case. The 60-day ultimatum, presented to her by the Aruban Attorney General, remains in effect. The expiry date lies somewhere between now and mid January 2006. From what I can gather, there is no prosecutor assigned to replace her, if in the event that no progress in the case is made. To me, the only avenue of substantive investigation resides with the Mountain Brook students and chaperones. If, for whatever reason, that avenue is not explored, then the case will be sent to the cold case file. This may be the realization, in frank reality, that was presented to Congressman Bacchus and his guests in Washington, DC.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 18, 2005 6:34 PM

Karin Janssen will not be fired. She gets other cases in her DA department. Aruba is one of the 6 Antillian islands (south Antillians: Curacao, Aruba, Bonaire; north Antillians: Saint Maarten, Saint Eustasius and Saba). So DA can switch between these islands. Firing the DA is part of the Fox news and beth rhetorics.

Posted by: TJ at December 18, 2005 6:35 PM

Dear flightoffancy:

Minister Ben Bot recently traveled via Curacao to Venezuela to press the position that the Kingdom of the Netherlands intended to maintain sovereignty over those waterways. I am unfamiliar with how long this dispute has been ongoing; however, it seems to have flared up this past year.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 18, 2005 6:40 PM

Dear flightoffancy:

Minister Ben Bot recently traveled via Curacao to Venezuela to press the position that the Kingdom of the Netherlands intended to maintain sovereignty over those waterways. I am unfamiliar with how long this dispute has been ongoing; however, it seems to have flared up this past year.

With Aloha,

Harry

Hi Harry,
Thanks for the clarification on waterways. I am going to try and find out more about that situation if I can. Also thanks for clearing up the business about Karin Janssen.

Posted by: flightoffancy at December 18, 2005 6:55 PM

It seems to me that the conflict started after the Dutch closing a deal with the USA enabling the opening of US militaty outposts on Aruba around 2000. This was done to enable monitoring drug transport from Colombia and other countries in the region, incl. Venezuela. Colombia wasn't too pleased with this agreement between The Netherlands and the USA

Some info in Dutch:
http://www.antenna.nl/ravage/archief2000/0016a9.htm

Posted by: Kienstail Author Profile Page at December 18, 2005 7:18 PM

According to the 2002 annual report of the Dutch military intelligence and security agency, the heat got up after the Netherlands took over -on request of the USA- parts of the military monitoring tasks in the region after US armed forces located in the region were sent to the Middle East after 9-11

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/netherlands/mivd2002.pdf

Posted by: Kienstail Author Profile Page at December 18, 2005 7:32 PM

Thanks, Kienstail! Your links are in Dutch!

Do you know if the waterways under concern are original national boundaries (3 miles) or the new extended boundaries under the United Nations Law of the Sea (200 mile/ 300 Kilometer)?

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 18, 2005 8:53 PM

Dear TJ:

Can we assume that the Dutch comedy industry has exploded with resource materials, emanating from Fox News' "fair and balanced" airings in this Natalee Holloway affair?

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 18, 2005 8:59 PM

Thirteeen FBI agents


Hunt for teen intensifies

Sunday, June 05, 2005
HANNAH WOLFSON

News staff writer PALM BEACH, Aruba - Answers in the disappearance of a Mountain Brook teen could be imminent, relatives and authorities said Saturday as the hunt for the missing honor student intensified.

In Aruba, Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig said investigators have stepped up their probe into the three men last seen with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway and hinted at a swift resolution in the case that has baffled authorities and grabbed international attention.

"I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours," Dompig said Saturday. "There will be developments after this weekend."

A family spokeswoman in Birmingham said much the same.

"They're watching them very closely," Holloway's aunt, Marcia Twitty, said of the three men.

Ten more FBI agents arrived in Aruba Saturday, bringing the total to 13. Attorney General Caren Janssen said they were brought in for "technical assistance."

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."

Aruban authorities still aren't calling their probe a criminal investigation, and Dompig said Saturday they haven't ruled out scenarios that Holloway left on her own or was kidnapped.

"The rule of thumb would be that, as more days pass, the fear becomes greater that we're looking at a situation where we might not find a person alive anymore," he said. "We think something will happen soon. Whether it's a conclusion that's good for the family or less beneficial for the family, I don't know."

Holloway vanished six days ago while on a five-day graduation trip to the tranquil Caribbean island with about 124 graduates and seven chaperones - four men who teach and coach at the middle and high schools in Mountain Brook and three of the men's wives.

She was last seen shortly after 1 a.m. Monday getting into a gray Honda with three Aruban residents as they left Carlos'N Charlie's bar and restaurant. The three men - two Surinamese men and a native of the Netherlands, between the ages 18 to 25 - were questioned and released, but Dompig said Saturday the men are "persons of interest" and investigators' strongest lead to date. Dompig said authorities are reluctant to release too much information about the men, who said they dropped off Holloway at the Holiday Inn where she was staying. The deputy chief said investigators are holding information close to the vest to avoid scaring off anyone.

"Of course, we keep a close eye on them and when we feel comfortable, and that's going to be very soon, there may be some new developments," Dompig said.

Holloway was set to return to Birmingham on Monday, but she never returned to her hotel room and later failed to show up at the airport for her group's scheduled 3:01 p.m. Delta flight. One of the chaperones, Paul Lilly, a junior high social studies teacher and high school basketball coach - stayed behind in Aruba when Holloway didn't show up. He remained there until Saturday.

Hundreds of volunteers have now joined Aruban authorities, Dutch marines and the FBI in the search. Acting on a tip, much of Saturday's law enforcement efforts focused on the vacant Allegro Hotel, near the hotel where Holloway stayed. Police didn't elaborate on their efforts there.

Also Saturday, Aruban search and rescue organizations scoured the beaches and marshes on All-Terrain Vehicles. Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, was among the volunteers who, in small groups, searched a stretch of barren marshland at the end of the island's strip of hotels, about a mile from where Holloway was staying.

"Getting out and looking and walking whenever I can helps relieve the stress," Dave Holloway said as he literally beat the bushes with a stick.

The disappearance has hit the island hard. Carlos'N Charlie's threw another $5,000 into the growing reward fund, which now totals $55,000. The bar also canceled regular Saturday night festivities.

A Mass for Holloway was set for today at Santa Anna Catholic Church, as well as a 6 p.m. vigil at the island's lighthouse.

Alabama Gov. Bob Riley has called the family to offer his support, as has U.S. Sen. Jeff Session, R-Ala.

In a statement to be released today, Holloway's family in Aruba said they are fully cooperating, and are in constant contact, with authorities and reiterated how touched they are with the way the world has embraced the search for Holloway.

Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, said she will remain in Aruba until she can bring her daughter home.

"We will do whatever it takes," Twitty said in a Saturday press conference. "I'm not leaving Aruba without Natalee. She is an amazing 18-year-old girl. She is truly an angel."

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/inde...4200.xml&coll=2

Posted by: Dayo Gould at December 18, 2005 9:09 PM

althor,

I like your "Tale of Two Cities" so much, I sent it to a friend.
I do not think you are a psycho, I think your posts are witty, literate, erudite and often brilliant.
Happy now?

Posted by: scubajap at December 18, 2005 9:28 PM

Dear Dayo Gould:

Thank you for the old 5 June 2005 article! Things have sure changed since 5 June 2005, haven't they?

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 18, 2005 9:30 PM

To All:

The Bushy Haired Stranger site has an interesting discussion about the inconsistencies of the Twitty-Holloway camp. They attribute many of their inconsistencies to legal advice.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1146

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 18, 2005 9:36 PM

I have missed reading things by Scubajap - glad you are still activley pursuing this case and its facts -- love your input!!

Posted by: Jan at December 18, 2005 9:37 PM

"Things have sure changed since 5 June 2005, haven't they?"

Not for the Kool-Aid drinkers, lol. What I have really noticed is the purging of the records from some of the HollowayMedia Inc blogs, which started in earnest a couple of months ago. By the end of January, the slanders and defamations against the VDS and Kalpoe family members will likely be viewable by appointment only.

Wonder if HMI is going to offer free lobotomies next (not that there can be much left unscrubbed in the MB trip-participants' memories)?

What gets me is that all of MB is suffering the shame, but the benefits are accruing (as far as I can see) to one clan.

Posted by: Dayo Gould at December 18, 2005 9:43 PM

Like I always said the people here are like the wind. Gather yout thoughts and think for yourself. Damn, pregnant my God you people. Review the case. Besides Jossy wasn't true in the begining and isn't now.

Posted by: Allan Kluttz at December 18, 2005 10:24 PM

Monsieur Harry,
I did not understand pretty well, when was this meeting scheduled?
I am very impatient, Do you think if they find the Person/persons guilty in MB, where the trial could be????
Wish you a nice holidays. I wish I could be in ARUBA, instead I send my regards : From snowy Montreal
Antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at December 18, 2005 10:41 PM

Wish you a nice holidays. I wish I could be in ARUBA, instead I send my regards : From snowy Montreal
Antoinette


Antoinette, I was born in Baie D'urfee, west island, lived there 18 years then I moved into town .. Montreal West, NDG and Westmount till I got married and fled that gorgeous city for the west coast.

Is the Crescent St bar scene still alive? Boy, this is bringing back so many good memories.

Anyway, enjoy the snow!

Posted by: Jim Hanson at December 19, 2005 1:03 AM

Hi Harry and all,
Just one question, If this kid is alive, why hasn't she surfaced? What is stopping her?

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 19, 2005 1:52 AM

Dear Little Bo Peep:

As I theorized earlier, she wants to keep her baby. I suspect that she has some family concerns about the baby's welfare prior to birth. These concerns may be real or imaginary. Remember, she is only a teenager.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 19, 2005 2:40 AM

Hi Harry,
I honestly think that she should contact you. She needs someone who has her best interests at heart, who is a good person and will help her resurface by using the internet.
Maybe if she explained herself on the internet she would feel more comfortable and thus be able to face all of this mess. JMO...but probably a good solution.
What does everyone think?

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 19, 2005 5:09 AM

According to this article; http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/article_14839.shtml , toerism has been increased with 7% since Natalee vanished. Nancy Grace cannot understand this, she's shocked about it. She said this at a radio broadcast from MSNBC. 70% of all tourists are American. Meanwhile governors are still calling for a boycott.
--------------------------
well, I guess every exaggeration turns in its opposite.

Posted by: Hollandaise at December 19, 2005 7:13 AM

@Jim I believe it is still going on.
Thank for the encouragement, I am getting in shape shoveling. I will think is sand.
Well think, Joran is coming home for X_MAS.
Is he able to clear his name?
Does he have to wait for the MB people to finish the interrogation?
Is it possible that Mb refuses the interrogation by ALE?
Have a nice day,
antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at December 19, 2005 11:00 AM

Souveniers..

You know, when on vacation, we tend to buy silly little trinkets, to "remember" fondly our destinations we went to..

The postcards, the ashtrays, t-shirts, or the refrigerator magnets, to remind us of the trip.....or little presents to bring back for family members or friends..

It has never been mentioned that Natalee purchased such items. OR that any were found in her luggage.

Maybe it was never mentioned because it's irrelevant. However, to the LE, that could be a point, that this gal NEVER bought anything, because she had NO intentions of going home.

And maybe it was also a subliminal message to her mother, that Natalee kept those 50 crisp dollar bills in her wallet, that Beth gave Natalee for tip money, as a way to tell her mother, I didn't use them, and you can have THOSE back.


How about Natalee's OWN camera, did she take any kind of pictures with HER own camera? Never was stated..that there were actual pics that Natalee did take..or did someone else use Natalees camera to take Pictures of Natalee, so her mother would have THOSE "last" pics of her.

Just some things to ponder.

Posted by: Donna at December 19, 2005 12:03 PM

Dear Little Bo Peep:

There is no question that if Natalee contacted me, then I would defend her and use whatever resources I could muster to help her reenter society. If she reads this post, then I pray she emails out site. We will assist her whether or not she is with child. Remember, having a child is what women eventually do.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 19, 2005 12:30 PM

Hi Harry,
You know, somehow we who post knew that because of the kind of people we have come to realize that you and your hosts are. Nonetheless, it was so nice to see you put that right out here for all to see.
You guys at hyscience truly have huge hearts besides your huge brains!
Thanks.

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 19, 2005 2:13 PM

I am so embarrassed by the media circus Beth has put the people of Alabama through. She has made us all look like idiots and fools with all that she has done. Not to mention our politicians are being made out to be total idiots(well that might not be far from the truth but that is another story for another time).
I for one have always felt there was more to this story than has been told and I firmly believe that the MBHS students know a lot more than they have told. I think the truth of what all happened that trip does lie within Mountain Brook's saintly(note I am being sarcastic) city.
Whether Natalee is dead or alive we may never know. What I do think is that she was a very confused young lady who made some bad decisions while she was on that trip and perhaps even before that trip if any of the rumors about pregnancy are true(I thought on that one and it occured to me that if the child was due in January then she got pregnant in April and isn't it ironic that a lot of proms are held in the month of April or early May in that area and that her mom had set her up with a 20 something or so I read on another board for that prom since she didn't have a date). But who is to say she is pregnant or not as we really don't have the facts only heresay.
It will be interesting to see what information comes out of these MBHS students who went on that trip

Posted by: Belle at December 19, 2005 3:12 PM

Dear belle:

In this evening's editorial, we will address some of the items that you lament in your post.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry at December 19, 2005 5:03 PM

Thank you Harry, I look forward to reading this evening's editorial. I mainly wrote the post because I am honestly embarrassed by all the bad publicity Beth has brought to Alabama. I live in Alabama and not all of us are like what Beth depicts.
There are many of us who think that there is more to it than meets the eye and we are also very embarrassed about our governor agreeing with Beth to encourage a boycott of Aruba but then again as much as I hate to say it, it seems none of our governors in my time have been the brightest bulb on the shelf and many do use good ole boy politics.
I will also say being that I live in a city next to Mountain Brook, I can tell you that the students there aren't as innocent as the Mountain Brook parents would like us to think. Just like other teens they like to party, drink alcohol, and experiment with drugs.
Also, I would like everyone to know there are two sectors to Mountain Brook one is a sector full of upper class citizens and large, expensive homes and the other sector with smaller, older homes(granted you will pay more for this size house in Mountain Brook then you would other areas but not outrageous prices like what people think) full of middle to upper middle class citizens. So Mountain Brook isn't just a city full of very afluent people living in large, expensive homes but they want you to think that in their description of their city.

Posted by: Belle at December 19, 2005 6:46 PM

Donna - Good point about the lack of trinkets.

Belle - If Beth DID set up her daughter with a date of her choice for the prom, this would surely be a sign of an overbearing mother. I find it hard to believe that Natalee Holloway couldn't get a date of her own.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at December 19, 2005 7:11 PM

Jim,
That is the rumor, that she was set up by her parents. Odd right?

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 19, 2005 7:33 PM

Jim,
That is the rumor, that she was set up by her parents. Odd right?

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at December 19, 2005 07:33 PM


Actually I don't find it odd, I can see this mother screening every aspect of Natalee's life. Teenagers, especially girls, don't take kindly to this sort of parenting.

We all know it's time for the ALE to press on to MB and find the real facts about Natalee's home life, and much, much more.

Another thing I don't find odd is the boneheaded mentality of some MB parents that are already complaining about any interviews with their kids. Why are they afraid to help?

One final thought - Does anyone know where Beth is hanging out tonight?

Posted by: Jim Hanson at December 19, 2005 8:04 PM

If there is one thing useful to have come out of this six months old, and counting, travesty of the Natalee Holloway “fiasco,”is how evident it has become, that Conservatives need a reputable, respectable News Channel on which to be able to voice their opinions, and from which to gather credible information, other than Rupert Murdoch’s “tabloid” Fox News, which as much lip service as it may do to “Conservative Values,” has sold its “journalistic soul to the devil,” and dragged its credibility, and integrity through the gutter, pandering Natalee’s disappearance, which no matter how you look at it is no more nor less than a “family tragedy,” making of it an unlikely “International Incident” which it is not, while ignoring or preempting other news and developments of far greater importance and implications to our future and that of the world, in order to devote the inordinate amount of time they have wasted on this farce!!!

If one tallies all the countless hours that Fox has devoted to interviewing Beth Twitty, the media maven, narcissistic, “limelight” addicted mother of Natalee Holloway, to only hear her once again spew all the old, stale false accusations, defamations, innuendos, half-truths, and outright lies with which she has been regaling audiences repeatedly for months now, and compare it to the amount of time given the coverage of the victims of the floods in India back in the summer, or devoted to the coverage of the three hurricanes that devastated the Gulf Coast of the United States, and New Orleans, or that given to covering the killer floods in the North East, or to the massive earthquake that hit Pakistan which killed tens of thousands, and other far more impacting news that have been ignored or neglected to keep this vengeful Beth Banshee in the spotlight, one would be appalled at the amount of air-time that has been lavished on this woman, compared to that given the coverage of what is only logical to assume are far more important developments than the fate of one miscreant, missing “Girl Gone Wild” in Aruba!!!

Imagine if Natalee Holloway had disappeared in May 2004, instead of May 2005!

Had Fox handled the reportage of Natalee's disappearance in the same manner they have , John Kerry would now be sitting in the White House, the Supreme Court would have been made even far more Left-leaning and "activist" than it has been (if that is even possible to imagine) with his appointments, First Lady Theresa Heinz would have told the “Clod-Hoppers” to go F**k themselves in "French," we would have already ran away with our troops from Iraq with our tail between our legs, in another Viet Nam-like “Glorious Defeat” with "President Kerry" leading the retreat, and an "Islamic Caliphate," encompassing all of what is now Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, would be rising, ready to wage their "Jihad" with their nuclear weapons against us!!!!

And then some people ask me why do I denounce the idiocy of continuing to focus on this Beth "soap opera" like a bunch of dolts, instead of addressing far mor pressing matters?!?! Look at the President's approval "ratings," and all the barrages the Democrats have unleashed viciously at his Administration, while his "supporters" drink "Beth Kool-Aid" and "drool" watching Beth moan on TV!!!

I have often warned that not the most conniving, crafty, and underhanded left-wing demagogue could have ever devised a more diabolical, and effective way of "diverting" the attention of that very same "Base" that brought President Bush victory last November, and keep them "lulled" like the sailors of Odysseus in the "Lotus Isles," than this Natalee Holloway/Beth
"melodrama," and no New York Times, or CNN would have been more dedicated to "propagating" it for the undermining of "Conservatives," than Fox has managed to do for no greater "altruistic" purposes than "ratings!" It is a disgrace!!!

Contrary to every other reportage on the internet, the Aruban newspapers, and even in our own press, for the last week Greta Van Susteren has stubbornly been holding the fort on behalf of Beth’s lies and spins, such as when she “gloriously” announced that Aruban Chief Prosecutor Karen Janssen was being taken off the case, which has turned out not to be true! So much for her asking the “real questions” which she has never done to this woman Beth! Can you even ever imagine Greta asking Beth if Natalee might not have ran away because she was pregnant, when Beth’s latest sexual fantasy consists of reliving in her mind all the sordid details of her daughter being ravaged in a “Menage a Quatre” by Joran and the Kalpoe brothers?!?! I don’t see it happening any time soon...well at least not until the next Ice Age!!!

And now, Bill O’Reilly, of all people, has taken the Natalee Holloway story, the story that as Neil Gabler so appropriately pointed out months ago, “keeps on giving,” one step further, and by appending it to his on-going feud with the Editors of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution with whom he’s had a bone to pick ever since they dropped his syndicated column from the newspaper, has made of it a “Left wing, Right wing” issue of all things, since the Atlanta Journal-Constitution had the “audacity” of denouncing Governor Purdue’s “Good Ole’ Boys” politics of jumping on the “Boycott Aruba” bandwagon, along with his two other Southern, inbred, counterparts, trying to bully the people of Aruba into submission to every whim of this Beth witch, penalizing the innocent population of Aruba in the process, the same to which ironically enough, ungrateful Beth owes so much hospitality, support, and assistance in her hour of need, and that she has so direly re-payed with so much evil will, defamation and scorn!!!

So, what now Mr. O’Reilly? If we do not support Beth’s call for this immoral “boycott,” which Congressman’s Bacchus latest findings concerning “how impressed he was about the “tremendous resources Aruban authorities have devoted to the case” invalidates, that means that I am a “Flaming Liberal”?!?!

Well, you are wrong Mr. O, I am a Conservative, and very proud of it, but I also see how our Conservative base is kept deluded with this fracas, while the Democrats slowly but surely do not miss one single opportunity to advance their agenda!!!

The President, his Administration, the War on Terror, his Supreme Court Nominee, are all under constant, vicious, attack from every corner, but who gives a damn, Beth Twitty is just coming on, on Fox!!!

And here I am siding with a Periodical with whose Editorial positions I for the most part strongly disagree, because O’Reilly made of the “Holloway farce” a “political issue!” I would have to say that it is not only politics, but also TRUTH that sometimes makes “strange bed-fellows!”

In the words of First Amendment framer James Madison: "A well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people." Knowing all there is to know about Natalee and Beth will hardly contribute to maintaining our freedom!!!


I often feel like the "voice of one crying in the desert," since no one heeds! Let us hope that this Beth idiocy doesn't unleash upon us more "dire" consequences than it already has, and we don't find ourselves watching "Beth interviews on Greta," the day the North Koreans strike and nuke Anchorage or Seattle, while we "drool-on” watching, “mesmerized” by the wails of the Banshee!!!

We desperately need a reputable Conservative News channel that reports news responsibly, with journalistic integrity, and is not trying to compete with “The National Enquirer” for first place! The hell with Faux News!!!

Althor

Posted by: Althor at December 19, 2005 11:33 PM



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