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November 8, 2005

HarryTho 11/8 Natalee Holloway Update And Commentary

Topics: Natalee Holloway

As usual, Beth is in the news, so we'll start there and move on to more interesting items. We'll touch on the boycott issue that was in the news today, but avoid getting too carried away with what I feel may not be the smartest of choices from the available options. After all, sometimes it's worth giving a little thought to timing.

Via Aruba Truth: Beth Twitty Meets With Task Force In Aruba, OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS TASK FORCE.

The consensus is that the primary goal of everyone involved is to find out what really happened to Natalee Holloway by allowing the investigators to make their conclusions and hopefully bring this investigation to an end. The Task Force reaffirmed their concern and empathy for the suffering of the Holloway and Twitty families in this terrible situation, yet called their attention to the need to remain fair to the population of Aruba and not to engage in making requests which aim to interfere with the economic stability of our island

The response of Mrs. Twitty to these issues is that she never used the word boycott. The Task Force did inform Mrs. Twitty that she may not have used the word "boycott", but that her appearance on shows where she speaks with persons that call for a boycott while nodding her head in obvious agreement, represents an endorsement of such a call. The Task Force repeatedly made it clear to Mrs. Twitty that condemning a whole nation for an isolated case (which remains under active investigation) is grossly unfair to that nation. Mrs. Twitty did state that this case was never about a single citizen of Aruba or anyone present in the meeting, yet rather about what she feels are barriers that have been put in the police force and prosecutor's office which prevent the case from moving forward.

Mr. Paul Reynolds reaffirmed in this meeting that he is absolutely against any call for an economic boycott of the island, and that he wants to reassure the population of Aruba that this has nothing to do with the community of Aruba, but is about mistakes they feel have been made during the investigation.

Mrs. Twitty requested the Task Force to support her in the request made in this letter (the request for new investigative team). The Task Force informed Mrs. Twitty that they could not support or make a recommendation to this letter, given the fact that they just received a copy of the letter and that they do not agree with this request.

Earlier today, Scared Monkeys announced the press conference that served as the announcement of the boycott.

Interestingly, Joe Mammana pleaded with Michael Posner to "step in" and take control of this situation. Joe needs to be educated. It is Jossy Mansur that is the King of the Bums in Aruba ... the Twitty-Holloway camp's other "questionable" buddy.

With all the accredited authorities involved in this case, Joe Mammana extends a hand to another "former" gangster to resolve the matter. What an insult to Aruba, the Netherlands and the United States of America! I pray the Governor of Alabama realizes the bed that he is about to leap into.

In regard to the boycott, Aruba Truth finds it misguided - but of course what else would they say!

A boycott would hurt the inhabitants of Aruba and the investigation. It would only isolate the investigative team and Natalee's family from the Aruban populace and no one in the Holloway and Twitty families wants this to happen.
And Dan Riehl feels the same way:
Frankly, as an American, I find this disgraceful. And although I rarely support boycotts of any kind, this is a particularly misguided attempt to flex American economic power which 1) will fail and 2) only makes us look foolish in the eyes of the world.
And as for my own feelings on the matter, I'm in agreement with Dan and Aruba Truth:

In regard to the boycott announced by the Governor of Alabama against Aruba, I feel obligated to interpret what exactly His Excellency's action means.

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Relying on our extensive research in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a few interesting anomalies surface. First, we have concluded that any mention of Natalee Holloway in Venezuela would reflect poorly on the Mansur family. With the Mansur family in mind, we need to note that no other person on the island of Aruba has been more supportive of Beth Twitty and her cause and family than Jossy Mansur and his Diario newspaper. Furthermore, we need to add that we uncovered that the Mansur family owns a majority of the businesses on Aruba (owns in some fashion of economic/legal arrangement).

Entering the recent broadcasts by Dr. Phil and John Walsh of America's Most Wanted in which both gentlemen hint at Natalee Holloway being caught up in a sex slave trade, I believe the situation warrants an explanation as to the implications. What Dr. Phil and John Walsh are saying amounts to an indictment against the Mansur family in the abduction of Natalee Holloway. Although, Dr. Phil and John Walsh probably are puffing for media ratings and/or donations by hawking their investigative prowess, they do serious harm to the Mansur family. We on this blog have researched this Venezuelan option thoroughly. There can be no mistake, if Natalee Holloway is discovered in Venezuela, then the Mansur family was involved in her disappearance. However, I understand and appreciate that both Dr. Phil and John Walsh have not investigated this case and are relying on abduction templates of similar in-country cases.

Now, let us revisit the Governor of Alabama's boycott actions. If a boycott does unfold against Aruba, who will be the most affected? Unfortunately, it will be the Mansur family, the loyal friends of Beth Twitty. Are we to conclude that the Governor of Alabama, via His Excellency's clandestine information channels, has singled out the Mansurs as the culprits in the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance? It is possible; however, I pray the good Governor's actions are not the result of some shamanistic voyeurism of the Twitty-Holloway camp and their less than credible allies. I suspect that the Mansurs share my concerns.

As a caution, if the Mansurs feel deceived and/or denounced by the Twitty-Holloway camp, we can expect to see the same kinds of shenanigans surface that we witnessed in the failed attempts to keep the case alive by planting "evidence" around Aruba. Only this time, the "evidence" will be pointing to the Mountain Brook teens and the Twitty-Holloway camp. Clearly, the Aruban authorities, without the helpful hints of the Mansurs, have determined that the Mountain Brook teens and the Twitty-Holloway camp hold valuable information that could resolve this case. With the Mansurs "aiding," the preponderance of ... well, whatever ... will be overwhelming.

This boycott could end the Governor of Alabama's political career. And, in Birmingham, AL alone His Excellency faces 86 homicides, just this year to date. One is compelled to ask: why this teenager in Aruba is perceived by the governor view to have political capital.

Lastly on the boycott issue, for now, cable news apparently didn't want to miss getting their two-cents worth in...

Jane Skinner of Fox News "revealed" that Governor Riley of Alabama had issued a boycott of Aruba, in claiming that the Aruban authorities have not investigated the case of the missing Alabama teen adequately.

Moving on to another matter, MSNBC has Van Zandt: Father knows best, at least in Aruba - Former FBI profiler updates the Natalee Holloway case.

By Clint Van Zandt, MSNBC analyst & former FBI profiler...

"In the case of Natalee Holloway, I saw a confession that Joran van der Sloot had allegedly given to four Aruban police officers, one of many of the so called confessions or different
versions of his story, concerning the night Natalee disappeared. In this statement van der Sloot said Deepak Kalpoe sexually assaulted, murdered, and buried Natalee."
As a former FBI Profiler, Clint van Zandt knows that this comment is untrue. Obviously, MSNBC News paid their analyst, Clint van Zandt, a good deal to weave this story. What this case needs is critical minds and not burned out FBI agents, spinning yarns to meet the agendas of the cable news networks.

In similar spin fashion, let us not forget that the Caribbean Islands were populated by the Carib Indians. These indians were cannibals. Maybe, the native residents of Aruba degraded to their origins and ate Natalee Holloway.
We'll call this a breaking point for now, more to come if something else interesting pops up tonight.

Update: I almost forgot that we received an interesting and informative email from a reader today regarding Michael Posner.

Update 2: Rita Crosby on MSNBC News hosted Stacey Honowitz, Jeffrey Fielger, Judy Smith and Bo Dietl.

Stacey Honowitz is all behind the boycott. She said that she feels the boycott will compel the Aruban authorities to reinvestigate the case.

Jeffrey Fielger disbelieved that the boycott will have any positive effect. He pointed out that there is no evidence. How can you compel an investigation without evidence? He asks if we are intimating that we want the Aruban authorities to torture their citizens in order to acquire some meaningful leads, and said that he considers the boycott a blunder on the part of the Governor of Alabama.

Judy Smith claimed that a child goes missing every three minutes in the USA. She asked if we are to call a boycott of the states in which these children go missing every three minutes? She said that she feels that what Police Chief Dompig has stated is correct. The boycott is nonsense.

Bo Dietl felt that the boycott will get some action. Just what action is yet to be determined.

In summary, Jeffrey Fielger was the clearest of the group. Without a body, what are we boycotting? Stacey Honowitz was the loudest, but all she accomplished was to circulate some hot air with no ideas.

Dan Riehl asks if we should boycott Gov. Bob Riley's Sweet Home Alabama, and offers a plethora of stats.

Today Alabama Governor Bob Riley called for a travel boycott against the island of Aruba. Perhaps as crime is so non-existent in Alabama, or they're always resolved when they do happen, he feels he is somehow serving all the people of Alabama by calling for a boycott of the island. Then again, maybe not quite. At least not if history is any judge.

Unfortunately, history doesn't seem to support Riley's lofty stance. With a regular average crime clearance rate of 18% for Riley's state - offenders in Alabama appear to have the odds stacked well in their favor when it comes to never even being caught.


Greta on Fox News hosted Arlene Ellis-Schipper.

Apparently, Arlene considers the boycott as blackmail in order to force the Dutch government into compromising their judicial system. Greta retorted with the notion that speaks for most Americans (what an ego!) in that she feels that an American is being snubbed by an Aruban. Greta claimed that the chief prosecutor will not talk to Beth Twitty. Arlene took the safe route in saying that the Twittys have an attorney on the island (Helen Lejuez) with an open line of communication with the chief prosecutor. Further, Arlene discussed Dave Holloway's situation in which Dave has full access to the chief prosecutor. Arlene seems to feel that Beth Twitty's and the media's comments are disproportionate.

Greta then turned to Hammer, Grimm and Williams:

Hammer followed Greta's lead and blamed the chief prosecutor for lack of communication. Hammer claimed that he is outraged at the snubbing by the prosecutor.

Williams vehemently objected to the boycott. To him, the boycott indicts all the Aruban people. The fact that there is no evidence makes the boycott particularly ineffective. He classifies those supporting the boycott as arrogant Americans who have no respect for the Aruban laws.

Grimm agreed somewhat with both sides; however, he cautioned that if the boycott works, some Aruban will come forward and falsely accuse some suspect in order to remove the boycott. Where will your justice be then?

The distinction here between Beth Twitty and the prosecutor is that Beth Twitty only wants to discuss her agenda to the case. The prosecutor is looking to resolve the case. Greta knows this, she was a lawyer. Accordingly, we have to conclude that all this alleged denial of communication with the prosecutor is nonsense.

What Beth Twitty wants is to control the investigation. There has been ample communication with the prosecutor. I feel that there has been not the communication that Beth Twitty wants to occur. Now, the Governor of Alabama has signed on to Beth Twitty's agenda to control the Aruban investigation.

Greta hosted Rob Smith of the Aruban Hotel and Tourism association.

Rob explained that there has been no effect on tourism. He claims that his hotel chain will experience a banner year at 89% occupancy. In the matter of numbers, 70% of tourism comes from the USA, and 70 cents of every dollar in the Aruban economy comes from tourism. Essentially, American tourists support one half of the Aruban economy.

Rob dismissed Greta's contentions that the Aruban prosecutor is not communicating with Beth Twitty. The facts on the island of Aruba exhibit that the prosecutor is communicating with the family.

Actually, the prosecutor has bent over backwards to keep the family informed. Rod sumed up the situation as a serious tragedy in which no amount of communication is enough. He feels that Alabama Governor Riley has acted irresponsibly by implementing political solutions to a situation where there is no evidence.

Beth Twitty (from Los Angeles where Paramount pictures is located) came on and had no answers for who is responsible in Aruba. Beth centered her frustration on dishonesty of Aruba and the Hague. Greta tried to probe with tapes, bones etc, but Beth eluded all her probes with the overriding call to dishonesty. When Helen Lejuez, her attorney was brought up, Beth claimed she has had frustration as well.

We should not forget here about Police Chief Dompig's caution on Helen Lejuez being dismissed from the prosecutor's office for mental problems.

Beth Twitty could not ascertain that Dave Holloway still had a line of communication with the prosecutor. Reluctantly, Beth had to admit that Dave had a better line of communication than she did. I wonder why! Beth responded positively to a question about FBI involvement in the new investigations of the Mountain Brook teens. She said that she witnessed the frustration of the FBI, assigned to Aruba in the case. I suspect that the frustration felt by the FBI may have been more with Beth Twitty than the Aruban authorities.

Beth implied that she will not return to Aruba. She said that she feels the Arubans need to come to Alabama and speak with Governor Riley.

Bill O'Reilly of Fox News interviewed Governor of Alabama Bob Riley.

When asked about the support for the boycott, all the governor could say is that he was encouraging Americans to boycott Aruba. He denied the power to enact foreign policy. He felt that the family (Twitty-Holloway) had received the run-around in Aruba, and he felt that the story changed too much in Aruba. In his opinion, the Aruban authorities mishandled the investigation.

When cornered as to what made him come to the conclusion of a boycott, he identified the letter from the Aruban Attorney General that placed the onus of replacing the investigative team upon the Dutch government. The governor was all for a boycott months ago when his legislature called for a boycott. He held up on that pronouncement, because of the pleas from the Twitty-Holloway family.

Bill O'Reilly suggested trying to get the cruise ships to stop pulling into Aruba. Yet, the governor was not hearing it. He will send a letter to all the other governors to get them to come aboard this resolution, before he tackles the cruise ships.

I did not get the impression that the governor was aware of the situation in Aruba. He came across as political animal, hinting that his actions were aimed more at protecting his loyal supporters (rich families of Alabama ... in specific those in Mountain Brook who had teens on the high school trip to Aruba with Natalee Holloway). This boycott may well be an immense case of obstruction of justice in order to divert the Aruban authorities away from the real culprits in Natalee Holloway's disappearance. Clearly, the governor advocated the Aruban authorities following the wishes of the Twitty-Holloway family .... Investigate the current suspects and not the Mountain Brook teens.

With that, we're going to call it an evening, again, and mean it.

Aloha for now!!

Posted for HarryTho.

Note: Harrytho is the author of Emergency, Candi, and other books (some of which just may be a little rough for American readers), and writes under the pen name, Justice Hawk.

Publisher's review of Emergency:

Articulated in various levels of awareness, this story transports the reader to the periphery of our understanding of reality. Set in the tropical environment of New Guinea with an international cast of characters, elements of politics, occult, religion and science interact in an attempt to unravel a most bizarre anomaly. This novel is not intended for readers with deeply religious convictions.
Publisher's review of Candi:
This is a story about a material scientist who happens upon an anomaly during a business trip to New Guinea. The anomaly tempts his curiosity. Unknowingly, his curiosity leads him into opening a door into the hidden world of the traffic of terrorism. This story is about terrorism set in a peaceful, collegiate environment in the heart of Chicago.
Posted for HarryTho

Posted by Richard at November 8, 2005 6:45 PM

Your writings are getting so bizarre and off the wall...who are you people? Give it a rest!

Posted by: jewels flem at November 8, 2005 9:30 PM

Thanks for your thoughtful recapitulation.

Posted by: Dayo at November 9, 2005 12:34 AM

Lately all these blogs are dedicated to demonize Beth Twitty and her family, now they are including Mr. Holloway because he has lost patience with the whole Aruban system.
Dan Riehl has made a 180 degree turn agains Beth Twitty, everything she does he criticizes in manners more than crude, and defends poor little criminals and their "no body no crime" legal adviser. The girl dissappeared after meeting with the three dogs, what can be clearer than that? They have lied, lied, lied, and no wonder Beth Twitty has had it with the chief prosecutor Karin Janssen. It is not true that this dame has been in constant communication with Natalee's family. Mrs. Twitty was received with a letter from this Ms. Jansenn telling her that "she nor her agenda had time to meet with her (Beth)".
The boycott is at results of the Dompig, the investigator asking for how much money do you have? and this chief prosecutor that takes vacations in the middle of a prime investigation.
People, if you have not lost a daughter and think she has probably been dumped in the water, do not talk shinola about the family.
Its up to the individual if he wants to boycott Aruba or not. Governor Riley's is not a MANDATE!
People can make their own choices. Period.
Leave this family fight for their daughter, every lost a child, people?

Posted by: lotusjanis_33 at November 9, 2005 2:48 AM

The first time Mrs. Twitty came home to Alabama Gretat van susteran interviewed her in her home. Greta innocently asked to see natalee's room and Mrs. Twitty said no. Many items are missing from the internet, the transcript to this program is one of them. What was the point? Why wouldn't she show her natalee's room? This has bothered me for a long time.

Posted by: hellraiser at November 9, 2005 4:34 AM

Don't think a boycott of tourism in Aruba is stopping Alabama Retirement System, Alabama Schools, or Alabama Industry from making a buck in Aruba.

IS Gov Bob's economic ignorance showing just a tad when he boycotts a nation (Aruba is a part of Netherlands) that his economically depressed state does $180 million positive
trade with. Harbert International (Alabama Construction Firm) has a 100 Million plus project going on in Aruba - began In July. Is Bob going to call a halt to the tax income from this?

Gov Bobs ignorance of US treaties is outstanding. He violated the spirit of at least two.
And finally Gov Bob has violated US trade law - Secretary of Treasury or President impose boycotts not Governors.

But it is election year for Bob in 2006 and a good show is worth votes.
This move may top his failed billion dollar tax increase in a state that is one of the poorest in the nation.


DETAILS BELOW.

ALABAMA UNIVERSITIES MAKE MONEY IN ARUBA FROM ON LINE PROGRAMS.
http://www.worldwidelearn.com/outside-us/country/aruba.php?&page=2
www.uabonline.org/UABWeb/contactus.asp
Will Governor Riley cut out this income which in many
instances requires travel to and from Aruba ?
Will Governor Bob threaten to stop state funding of these programs ?

IS GOV. BOB GOING TO END STATE RETIREMENT INVESTMENT IN ARUBA.
http://www.rsa.state.al.us/

IS GOV. BOB GOING TO CUT OUT THE REDUCED AIR FARE TO
ARUBA FOR STATE RETIREE RECIPIENTS OR CONTRIBUTOR.
$ 168 ROUND TRIP ON US AIR -BUT YOU HAVE TO BE A STATE
Employee
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:FAggJKEzceUJ:www.rsa.state.al.us/Advisor/2003/Advisor%252012%25202003.pdf+aruba+%22bob+riley+%22+-twitty+-holloway+-teenager&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

DOES GOV BOB INTEND FOR HARBERT TO STOP BUILDING IN ARUBA?
Birmingham-based construction firm BL Harbert International LLC
recently finished the concrete phase for the first of four towers of a vacation
resort owned by Marriott Vacation Club International on the Caribbean
island of Aruba.
Harbert Employees Must Travel anANd USe Tourist Facilities In Aruba.

IS GOV BOB GOING TO STOP US BUSINESS BUILDING IN ARUBA
Aquatech Awarded Thermal Desalination Contract in Aruba
October 28, 2005

DID GOV BOB CHECK ON HOW MANY RICH ALABAMIANS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
NETHERLANDS TAX BREAKS?

U.S.-NETHERLANDS INCOME TAX TREATY-DUTCH HYBRIDS: The Netherlands
Announces They Will Not Deny Treaty Benefits to Qualified U.S. Investors That Own
Dutch Hybrids

http://www.crossbordertaxation.us/2005/07/usnetherlands_i.html

DOES GOV BOBS MOVE VIOLATE THE SPIRIT IF NOT THE LETTER OF REGIONAL
TRADE AGREEMENTS WITH THE NETHERLANDS DATING BACK TO 1958?
Aren't Republicans for Free Trade ?
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:9fJUJGjcJ4cJ:www.ers.usda.gov/publications/agoutlook/sep1998/ao254g.pdf+US+Netherlands+%22trade+agreement%22+-holloway+-twitty+-teenager&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

IS GOV BOBS MOVE A VIOLATION OF DUTCH-AMERICAN FRIENDSHIP TREATY
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=2061


DOES GOV BOB HAVE THE ECONOMIC PULL TO JEOPARDIZE BILLIONS IN INVESTMENTS IN US.

The Dutch in turn are the third largest investors in the U.S., with the stock
of Dutch direct investment growing to $ 85 billion in 1997.
Is Gov Bob Going To Stop THE 180 Million in Trade From His State To The Netherlands.
http://www.usemb.nl/usduinvr.htm

IS GOV BOB OVERSTEPPING JUST A BIT WHEN HE DECIDED TO IMPOSE A BOYCOTT?
Could be - president or Secretary of Treasury does that - not the Governor of Alabama.
Gov Bob has violated US law here.
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Kqfp0jDYAfIJ:www.weatherford.com/weatherford/groups/public/documents/general/wft006458.pdf+%22US+Antiboycott+laws+%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

IF GOV BOBS BOYCOTT CAUSES AN ALABAMA TRAVEL AGENT
TO VIOLATE US TRADE LAWS - THEN HE IS GUILTY OF
COLLUSION.

THE U.S. ANTIBOYCOTT LAWS PROHIBIT U.S. COMPANIES AND
THEIR FOREIGN SUBSIDIARIES FROM ENTERING INTO
AGREEMENTS IN SUPPORT OF ANY FOREIGN BOYCOTT WHICH
HAS NOT BEEN SANCTIONED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.

http://www.hormel.com/templates/corporate.asp?catitemid=71&id=634

Posted by: paul at November 9, 2005 12:31 PM

Dear Lotusjanis:

One clarification of your post is warranted. The letter delivered to Mrs. Twitty about the meeting with chief prosecutor Janssen conveyed that chief prosecutor Janssen did not have time to meet with Mrs. Twitty over a discussion of the three suspects. It has been documented that chief prosecutor Janssen was present for the interview of Mrs. Twitty by the Aruban police investigators concerning the new focus of the investigation: the Mountain Brook teens and declarations requested of Mrs. Twitty. Clearly, the essence of what Mrs. Twitty has announced is that chief prosecutor Janssen would not meet with her to discuss her desires in the investigation. Unfortunately, Governor Riley of Alabama has bought into Mrs. Twitty's agenda.

Thank you for you post.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry Author Profile Page at November 9, 2005 2:42 PM



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