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November 25, 2005

HarryTho 11/25 Natalee Holloway Update And Commentery

Topics: Natalee Holloway

Let's start tonight with the interesting story on Dr. Phil showing the altered video tape. It so happens that it leaves us with a serious question - is Beth Twitty implicated in fabricating evidence? From Aruba Getagrip, we have:

The results of this investigation are as follows. There are no differences between the interview with the suspect D.K. as shown in the video-cd of the private investigator and the tape provided by the FBI. There are also no indications that manipulation of the images took place.

The Dutch Forensic Institute also concluded that in the case of the interview shown in the programmes of Dr. Phil and Rita Cosby the images were manipulated. These images differ from the ones in the video-cd and tape provided by the FBI.

(...) The conclusion obviously is that the interview with Depak Kalpoe that was aired on the Dr. Phil show recently, with Beth Twitty present, was not the original interview as Dr. Phil and his investigator Skeeters pretended it to be.
And the real clincher here is the matter that the "tape was tampered with and altered to let it appear that Kalpoe said something that in reality he did not." So we need an answer here to that question we started with, was Beth Twitty aware of this violation of privacy?

On an item that we previously posted on, the Diario (via Aruba Getagrip) on Thursday published an article reporting the Aruba Trade & Industry Association's (ATIA) press release about the Governor of Alabama and the "allegations" of sex abuse that were false.

Yet Jossy headlined his article with, "Dr. Phil was accused of sexual abuse," which of course is just a wee bit dishonest and misleading, and a trick we often see in the NY Times or the Washington Post.

Josy also ranted on Dr. Phil with "Dr. Phil manipulated the recording used in his program," also via Aruba Getagrip. It's nice to know that Jossy comes to the same conclusion that we do.

As for the little matter of the images on Rita and Dr Phil. The Dutch Forensic Institute has also concluded that in the case of the interview shown in the programs of Dr. Phil and Rita Cosby the images were manipulated.

Furthermore, apparently the tapes of Deepak Kalpoe being questioned by Jamie Skeeters did not provide any new information for investigators.

In the tape that was run on the Dr. Phil show and was "manipulated" according to forsenic experts, when asked if he or anyone had sex with Natalee, Deepak responds...no one had sex with her... The Dr. Phil version seems to have dropped out the "no or no one" in their version.

Greta of Fox News hosted Beth Twitty and Mark Furhman.

Naturally, the discussion avoided the Skeeter tapes and the Dr. Phil Show, last weeks Twitty-Holloway hit!

Beth described how she has managed the last six months of Aruban "secret" handling of her daughter's disappearance, and remarked that corruption and cover-up are true in the case. She feels that the Aruban investigative team does not want to implicate the three suspects.

Mark Furhman backed up Beth Twittty on the incompetence of the Aruban authorities. He feels that the Aruban authorities have erected every roadblock imaginable to prevent this case to move forward, then they claim they are doing all that they can. Clearly, Mark feels the Aruban authorities are doing nothing, despite their claims.

In view of the fact that Natalee's whereabouts are still unknow, as is any knowledge as to whether she is alive or dead, I doubt anyone would deny that there has been zippo in the way of progress in this case. Furthermore, in light of the fact that the case continues to take a rather circuitous route, who at this point can argue other than as presented by Furhman. But on the matter of the boycott idea, little in that regard made any sense to any but the least informed and most misguided minds.

With that we'll once again call it aloha for the night. As usual, I'll be meeting with some of you in the comment sections.

Posted for HarryTho

Posted by Richard at November 25, 2005 9:30 PM

In my opinion, your questions are irresponsible! You seem to believe the H-T family has conspired to accuse the VDS and Kalpoe suspects of something they did not do! You don't know that!

Those four clearly know more than they have stated; they have made incriminating statements which the "Polis" failed to pursue; and NH is still missing.

Are you implying that she "chose" to disappear? Isn't Aruban/Dutch law clear about culpability when two or more people leave a nightclub while drinking or under the influence, and one disappears? This happened, and yet nothing has been done! Are the H-T's responsible for that?

I think the H-Ts have been remarkably restrained, under the circumstances. If this concerned my daughter, we'd be reading about a whole lot more than just a few statements or CDs that upset some scumbags in Aruba.

My personal opinion is that every available remedy should be brought to bear on the Aruban officials and suspects until the truth is uncovered.

Have fun, "Harry." Right.

Posted by: DougG at November 25, 2005 10:31 PM

Doug, "incriminating statements which the "Polis" failed to pursue" is a Twitty-Mansur's fantasy.

Posted by: George at November 25, 2005 11:06 PM

Naturally, the discussion avoided the Skeeter tapes and the Dr. Phil Show, last weeks Twitty-Holloway hit!

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I don't think this was any preplanned thing. The show tonight had a theme of how the parents of missing/dead children were dealing with the loss. It wasn't devoted to in depth discussion of any one aspect of any of the cases. More or less, it was just a general picture of how the case had gone for each parent and the impact it had on their lives. That beind said, I don't think it is fair of you to imply that their was some manipulation of the shows direction given the recent annoucement about the tapes.

Posted by: DT at November 25, 2005 11:07 PM

Doug, "incriminating statements which the "Polis" failed to pursue" is a Twitty-Mansur's fantasy.

Posted by: George at November 25, 2005 11:06 PM

I'm sure you are in a position to know this. One would think that, given the lack of progess in this case, something like this is very possible.

Posted by: DT at November 25, 2005 11:09 PM

With the Dutch Forensic Institute's findings now revealed, it is a fact in the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance the tapes, implicating wrongdoing by the three suspects, were manipulated. It is also a fact that Beth Twitty, main accuser of the three suspects, was present during the airing of the manipulated tapes. Certainly, any investigator worth his salt would contemplate a conspiracy to fabricate evidence.

Now, whether the Aruban authorities are corrupt or not remains to be determined, but corruption seems stained upon their accusers.

It is fair for me to question the silence on the issue of the tapes. After all, it is precisely people like those present on the telecast in question, tonight, that demanded open discussion from the Aruban authorities. Now, the Aruban authorities speak, and the demanders slither back into the darkness of the airways in an alligator mouth, hummingbird butt operating mode.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry Author Profile Page at November 25, 2005 11:24 PM

They don't want to talk about the tapes because they most likely know a lawsuit is on the way. Hopefully criminal action will be taken against Skeeter and company for this obstruction of justice. I don't understand why some of the posters, Doug and others, are so upset about the Natalee case not being solved when they don't even bother to mention the other missing people from Alabama that went missing about the same time as Natalee. Alabama has not solved these crimes either. What happened to these people? Where are they? Why aren't they screaming to boycott Alabama because they have botched the investigation and haven't solved it after 6 months? One reason, the people missing are African American? Whatever the reason for the sick obsession with Beth Twitty, these people obviously don't care about others that are missing.

Posted by: flightoffancy at November 25, 2005 11:27 PM

In my opinion, your questions are irresponsible! You seem to believe the H-T family has conspired to accuse the VDS and Kalpoe suspects of something they did not do! You don't know that!
Posted by: DougG at November 25, 2005 10:31 PM

Harry:
Thank you for yet ANOTHER fair and unbiased commentary on this case. Many of us appreciate your efforts more than you will ever know.
Please keep up the good work.

Posted by: Max at November 25, 2005 11:32 PM

Harry, I have a question if you have the time to answer. Was Beth Twitty asking for money tonight? She was going on about Jug and her being a two income family and they need her pay check. She said other teachers had given up their sick time and it would cover her until Jan 1, after that she didn't know what they would do. That sound like asking for money. What does she need this money for, running around to different talk shows? That isn't helping find her daughter. This woman has never looked for her daughter, just made TV appearances to complain about the LE in Aruba.

Posted by: flightoffancy at November 25, 2005 11:36 PM

In this case I see shades of the "era" of it depends on what the meaning of "is" is. On the Dr. Phil show, as Beth Twitty sat and listened to the tapes, and then Phil questioned her as to whether or not she has heard the complete tape, her answer was, No I have not heard all of those tapes. It is conveniently called "CYA" anyway you look at it. With that statement she more or less bounces the guilt about not knowing the entire content, back into the lap of Dr. Phil and Jamie Skeeters. We are all not dense here, of course we all know that she knew the entire content of the tapes, but then that would have to be proven. This has all been very cleverly manipulated on the Twitty/Holloway side to "CYA". Just like the "boycott" statement turned around to be a travel advisory. So we go back to the days of good ole Bill Clinton in dodge the bullet with a play on words. That is the way I see it. I see this whole thing from the very beginning as a very well thought out scripted plot, the mystery question is who is pulling off this very elaborate scheme??? and why and for what???

Posted by: therose at November 25, 2005 11:42 PM

Harry, I have a question if you have the time to answer. Was Beth Twitty asking for money tonight? She was going on about Jug and her being a two income family and they need her pay check. She said other teachers had given up their sick time and it would cover her until Jan 1, after that she didn't know what they would do. That sound like asking for money. What does she need this money for, running around to different talk shows? That isn't helping find her daughter. This woman has never looked for her daughter, just made TV appearances to complain about the LE in Aruba.

Posted by: flightoffancy at November 25, 2005 11:36 PM

Let's try to at least be honest in these blog postings, you know damn well that she has searched for her daughter.

Posted by: DT at November 25, 2005 11:44 PM

It is fair for me to question the silence on the issue of the tapes. After all, it is precisely people like those present on the telecast in question, tonight, that demanded open discussion from the Aruban authorities. Now, the Aruban authorities speak, and the demanders slither back into the darkness of the airways in an alligator mouth, hummingbird butt operating mode.

With Aloha,

Harry

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You are missing the entire point of the show tonight. It wasn't about discussing particulars of the case, but instead about how the families themselves were dealing with the situation. You can hardly call this a silence about the issue, since you know just as well as everyone else that the purpose of tonight's show was not to discuss any one aspect of the case, current or otherwise. It is pure stupidity to claim this was some calculated silence when the show was clearly not directed at this sort of topic.

Posted by: DT at November 25, 2005 11:51 PM

Let's try to at least be honest in these blog postings, you know damn well that she has searched for her daughter.

Posted by: DT at November 25, 2005 11:44 PM

You Might try practicing what you preach DT. When has this woman ever searched for her daughter? The father, Dave, did. We all know that, but not Beth, she just ran around bugging the police and prosecutors. Harassing the suspects and their familys but never once did this woman get her searching togs on and walk the grid with the other searchers. So don't lecture me. You may be blind buddy, but I'm not. Leave off the personal attacks.

Posted by: flightoffancy at November 25, 2005 11:55 PM

Let's try to at least be honest in these blog postings, you know damn well that she has searched for her daughter.

Posted by: DT at November 25, 2005 11:44 PM

You Might try practicing what you preach DT. When has this woman ever searched for her daughter? The father, Dave, did. We all know that, but not Beth, she just ran around bugging the police and prosecutors. Harassing the suspects and their familys but never once did this woman get her searching togs on and walk the grid with the other searchers. So don't lecture me. You may be blind buddy, but I'm not. Leave off the personal attacks.

Posted by: flightoffancy at November 25, 2005 11:55 PM

Blind to what buddy? I have seen her searching for her daughter, going out and canvassing the island with missing persons posters. I don't know what planet you are from, but most of us consider that searching.

And there is no way you can justify your claim to begin with. Did you follow Beth around the island day after day? Did you observe her daily activities? How on earth can you claim to know such a thing? What is your source, other than just your own demented wishful thinking?

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:02 AM

Well quite frankly Flight and at the risk of sounding a wee bit "catty" the only thing I have seen Beth Twitty searching for is the nearest camera or microphone. Having said that I also noted the inference towards money, and the mention that she hasn't been home but a total of 10 days in six months. I would guess though that she is not in too dire a need for money since her son has been provided such an elaborate gift of a Toyota Tundra. I have seen her in Philly, New York, CA, and all over the United States, so I am wondering if she thinks her daughter is in the United States, and not in Aruba, since her search seems to be here.

Posted by: therose at November 26, 2005 12:07 AM

And there is no way you can justify your claim to begin with. Did you follow Beth around the island day after day? Did you observe her daily activities? How on earth can you claim to know such a thing? What is your source, other than just your own demented wishful thinking?

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:02 AM

You are obviouly a Beth groupie and therefore unable to see any side but hers. It would be a waste of time to debate someone of your limited intelligence. I try not to waste my time with hopeless causes.

Posted by: flightoffancy at November 26, 2005 12:07 AM

Let's try to at least be honest in these blog postings, you know damn well that she has searched for her daughter.

Posted by: DT at November 25, 2005 11:44 PM

This was recently discussed on another blog and NO ONE on that site could give any details of where, when, or how, Beth Twitty spent any time physically searching for her daughter.
We all know that Dave spends most of his time in Aruba searching anywhere he can think to look, however, the same cannot be said of the mother. This is not an attack on BT, it is just a matter of stating the facts.
If you have any specific information to the contrary; please feel free to share.

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 12:10 AM

You are obviouly a Beth groupie and therefore unable to see any side but hers. It would be a waste of time to debate someone of your limited intelligence. I try not to waste my time with hopeless causes.

Posted by: flightoffancy at November 26, 2005 12:07 AM

Oh sure, that is it. Hey guys, I have never seen Beth Twitty drinking a glass of water. Can any of you think of a specific time she was on TV drinking water, if not then she has never drank water. That is basically your logic in a nutshell.

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:13 AM

This was recently discussed on another blog and NO ONE on that site could give any details of where, when, or how, Beth Twitty spent any time physically searching for her daughter.
We all know that Dave spends most of his time in Aruba searching anywhere he can think to look, however, the same cannot be said of the mother. This is not an attack on BT, it is just a matter of stating the facts.
If you have any specific information to the contrary; please feel free to share.

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 12:10 AM

Max,

Here is the problem, we don't have information as to what the family's actions were on the island. And like I said in my previous post, putting up fliers counts as searching by any reasonable persons definition. So obviously there is contrary information.

But even if there wasn't any informatin to the contrary you still couldn't reasonable claim that she never searched unless you had the power to observe her throughout the months she was there.

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:19 AM

The point of tonight's show was that it was a filler, designed to avoid the embarrassing queries concerning the tapes.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry Author Profile Page at November 26, 2005 12:22 AM

The point of tonight's show was that it was a filler, designed to avoid the embarrassing queries concerning the tapes.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2005 12:22 AM

Yes, that is why they brought in the mother of Taylor Behl, the father of Latoya Figueroa, et al. They randomly assembled them all in an attempt to not comment about the tape by making it seem like the topic of the show was something else. Come on, get real.

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:28 AM

Oh sure, that is it. Hey guys, I have never seen Beth Twitty drinking a glass of water. Can any of you think of a specific time she was on TV drinking water, if not then she has never drank water. That is basically your logic in a nutshell.

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:13 AM

Your point is well taken (although you picked a poor analogy; as many of us have seen her drinking from what appeared to be a plastic cup while in Aruba). There are also credible reports of her drinking and gambling in one of the local casinos while the dump or pond was being searched.
However, even you will have to admit the vast MAJORITY of her time was spent sitting in front of the nearest camera.
I really try not to judge this woman, but if I had a daughter and there was credible evidence (which BT claimed she had) that my daughter was buried in a pond or a dump, and searcher were needed, nothing in the world would stop me from physically searching that area myself.

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 12:30 AM

Even more telling than the well-reasoned suppositions that you post is the way that HollowayMedia Inc floods your comment section with their purple Kool Aid-fueled spin as you get closer and closer to picking off the scabs that obscure the facts behind the vanishing.

The MB kids are on the firing line now; their fifth-generation, Southern-aristocracy parents won't sacrifice their lineage for some jumped-up arriviste who is collecting donations off the silence of their offspring.

Posted by: dayo at November 26, 2005 12:32 AM

Harry,

You are so right it was a filler and specifically designed to take the attention off of the tape fiasco. And since Greta has such a preoccupation with Beth Twitty it was a calculated way to again present her on the show and to look as though she is giving coverage to other people, but she can't go to many words without mentioning Beths name. It never ceases to amaze me how these media people think the American public is dense enough not to see through them. They certainly appear to think everyone out here in tv land cannot think for themselves. They plant a seed and think we buy it hook, line and sinker. Borrowing a Beth phrase (heaven help me) the media is "crystal clear" in what they are trying to feed the Amerian public, and I for one do not buy it. I find this whole tape fiasco quite questionable and the way it was treated by the FBI very questionable to me. It would have made much more sense to me for Jamie Skeeters to take this tape deal directly to the Aruban LE, rather than sneak it out of Aruba and let it float on the Dr. Phil show and then let it float with the FBI for so long before sending it to Aruba. I would not put any stock into his hard drive.

Posted by: therose at November 26, 2005 12:41 AM

Your point is well taken (although you picked a poor analogy; as many of us have seen her drinking from what appeared to be a plastic cup while in Aruba). There are also credible reports of her drinking and gambling in one of the local casinos while the dump or pond was being searched.
However, even you will have to admit the vast MAJORITY of her time was spent sitting in front of the nearest camera.
I really try not to judge this woman, but if I had a daughter and there was credible evidence (which BT claimed she had) that my daughter was buried in a pond or a dump, and searcher were needed, nothing in the world would stop me from physically searching that area myself.

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 12:30 AM

Yes, I realized it was a poor analogy after I posted it.

I think different parents handle it differently. The thought of finding your child in a dump may be too much for some parents, and understandably so.

And in all honesty, I don't have a clue what she did for the majority of her time there. I don't think it is even possible for her to have spent the majority of that time in front of a camera.

And despite what someone said earlier, I am not a groupie for anyone. I disagree with a lot of the things she has done, especially the boycott. But I'm not about to go attacking her motivation and devotion to her daughter with no evidence to prove such a thing.

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:42 AM

Your point is well taken (although you picked a poor analogy; as many of us have seen her drinking from what appeared to be a plastic cup while in Aruba). There are also credible reports of her drinking and gambling in one of the local casinos while the dump or pond was being searched
Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 12:30 AM

I have also heard about the drinking and gambling. I also heard she was shopping in a local jewelry store. Duty free. She was really grieving. Beth wants the spotlight on the boys and their families. She critizes everything they say and do. Well, she should be prepared for the same spotlight on her own behavior. She has the advantage that the cable shows in the US will not tell the viewers what she has been up to, but other sources are telling about her behavior and searching was not one of them. Everyone doesn't watch FOX news and Nancy Grace. BTW, Grace seems to have taken a vacation from the Twitty circus lately. I haven't heard her mention the Natalee case in weeks. I wonder if she got into it with the Queen of evasion Beth.

Posted by: flightoffancy at November 26, 2005 12:43 AM

Dear DT:

Greta had ample opportunity to ask Beth about the tapes and her accreditation of Jamie Skeeter and Dr. Phil. Clearly, the tapes were avoided in the "how do you endeavor with the ups and downs" probes by Greta. Obviously, the tape results were a serious down for Beth. Yet, she failed to mention them, even once. Maybe she forgot about the tapes? Greta even neglected to mention them. Maybe Greta forgot about the tapes, as well? Maybe it was a case of convenient lapse of memory?

Whatever your position, Beth and Greta looked liked they got the wind knocked out of them. Beth and Greta did not have to mention the tapes at all, now did they?

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry Author Profile Page at November 26, 2005 12:47 AM

The point of tonight's show was that it was a filler, designed to avoid the embarrassing queries concerning the tapes.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2005 12:22 AM

Yes, that is why they brought in the mother of Taylor Behl, the father of Latoya Figueroa, et al. They randomly assembled them all in an attempt to not comment about the tape by making it seem like the topic of the show was something else. Come on, get real.

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:28 AM

Regardless of why you think mention of the tape was omitted; considering the amount of time BT and Greta both spent smearing the three suspects using the tape as their evidence of criminal wrongdoing on the part of the suspects, don't you think they owed it to US as well as the suspects to admit the tape was doctored? IMO, they should have taken their first opportunity to clear the record.

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 12:47 AM

Dear DT:

Greta had ample opportunity to ask Beth about the tapes and her accreditation of Jamie Skeeter and Dr. Phil. Clearly, the tapes were avoided in the "how do you endeavor with the ups and downs" probes by Greta. Obviously, the tape results were a serious down for Beth. Yet, she failed to mention them, even once. Maybe she forgot about the tapes? Greta even neglected to mention them. Maybe Greta forgot about the tapes, as well? Maybe it was a case of convenient lapse of memory?

Whatever your position, Beth and Greta looked liked they got the wind knocked out of them. Beth and Greta did not have to mention the tapes at all, now did they?

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2005 12:47 AM

Do you honsetly think the tapes won't be mentioned? Clearly they weren't mentioned tonight because tonight's show had a special focus that was about how families were dealing with the loss of their loved ones. In that context it certainly makes sense that they wouldn't delve into in depth case discussions. Clearly the tapes authenticity will be discussed in future shows, and I see no reason to think that this one show, which clearly was something other than Greta's normal format, should be evidence of evasiveness. I guaruntee you the tapes authenticity will be discussed in the coming days.

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:59 AM

Hi Max,

It has certainly been this way from the very beginning. Spend weeks on wild accusation, then drop it like a hot potato. Oh but then we are dense we don't see this. We just wait and buy the next wild accusation. I personally see more cover up coming from Alabama than Aruba. There have been far too many questionable people in the Camp Twitty for me to believe in anything coming from it. And as far as DT saying Beth is looking for her daughter I would suggest that if she tried to cooperate with the Aruban LE and prosecutor rather than constantly attack and order them around she may very well have had some sort of an answer by now. One of my biggest "red flags" in this whole fiasco, is why did Camp Twitty go down there and attack and order everyone around from the beginning. This whole mess has been all too scripted from the very beginning and it has certainly made me question the validity of this whole Missing Person case due to the actions from the parents. Their embedding themselves into the investigation from the very beginning raises more questions to me than it provides answers. I certainly don't get their going down there in an attack mode, and with the media at their side daily plotting, harassing, and trying to change the whole Justice system in Aruba. When in Rome..... When in Aruba. All the same. Whether they like it or not they have to go by Aruba's laws and the Dutch Justice system. You don't attack the very people that are trying to help you. That is like biting the hand that feeds you.

Posted by: therose at November 26, 2005 1:16 AM

Do you honsetly think the tapes won't be mentioned? Clearly they weren't mentioned tonight because tonight's show had a special focus that was about how families were dealing with the loss of their loved ones. In that context it certainly makes sense that they wouldn't delve into in depth case discussions. Clearly the tapes authenticity will be discussed in future shows, and I see no reason to think that this one show, which clearly was something other than Greta's normal format, should be evidence of evasiveness. I guaruntee you the tapes authenticity will be discussed in the coming days.

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:59 AM

BT has used any and every opportunity/format to accuse these three suspects of GANG-RAPING her daughter for over two months now. And she has repeatedly referenced the tape(s) as her source of proof.
Now that the tape has proven to be doctored, don't you think the suspect's mothers expect BT to use the first opportunity/format to correct the record?

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 1:16 AM

Do you honsetly think the tapes won't be mentioned? Clearly they weren't mentioned tonight because tonight's show had a special focus that was about how families were dealing with the loss of their loved ones. In that context it certainly makes sense that they wouldn't delve into in depth case discussions. Clearly the tapes authenticity will be discussed in future shows, and I see no reason to think that this one show, which clearly was something other than Greta's normal format, should be evidence of evasiveness. I guaruntee you the tapes authenticity will be discussed in the coming days.

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 12:59 AM

BT has used any and every opportunity/format to accuse these three suspects of GANG-RAPING her daughter for over two months now. And she has repeatedly referenced the tape(s) as her source of proof.
Now that the tape has proven to be doctored, don't you think the suspect's mothers expect BT to use the first opportunity/format to correct the record?

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 1:17 AM

Yes, DT, I believe both Greta and Beth used tonight's airing to avoid discussion concerning the authenticity of the tapes. They are hiding in immense denial. Like maybe, if they stick their heads in the sand long enough, the tape manipulation will go away. Beth used to talk about Anita van der Sloot being in denial. Well, maybe Anita can take professional lessons from Beth and Greta. Denial was written all over tonight's telecast.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry Author Profile Page at November 26, 2005 1:52 AM

Posted by: George at November 26, 2005 2:22 AM

We’ve been here since June singing the same boycott Aruba song.

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And we’re still here at www.2hellwithARUBA.com

Posted by: lugarr at November 26, 2005 2:27 AM

Tonight's Greta Special was taped Tuesday, November 15th. They could not have discussed the tapes since that info cam out on Wednesday, November 23rd.

Get your facts straight!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175875,00.html

Posted by: Debbie at November 26, 2005 2:51 AM

Dear Debbie:

Thank you for confirming that Greta employed a filler, taped on 15 November 2005, in order to avoid discussion of the tapes.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry Author Profile Page at November 26, 2005 2:58 AM

Tonight's Greta Special was taped Tuesday, November 15th. They could not have discussed the tapes since that info cam out on Wednesday, November 23rd.

Get your facts straight!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175875,00.html

Posted by: Debbie at November 26, 2005 02:51 AM

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together has known since day one the tape was faked

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 3:39 AM

I was under the impression that Joe Mammana (I don't spell Sicilian names very well, is this correct?) was willing to fill Beth Twitty's pockets with money in aid of her "search" for her daughter. I may be wrong. There are so many little chapters to this story so far, one can almost get lost! (Anyone smell book offers yet? And don't worry, a TV movie will follow. A story of this caliber will never make it to the big screen.)

What was I talking about ... yes, I have to agree on some posts I've seen here about Beth Twitty's "search" for her daughter. This woman (I did feel for her in the beginning, but feelings tend to change when an attractive woman like this is pushed into your face and life by the media on a 24/7 basis) has spent more time in rehearsals, make up rooms etc to sit in front of tabloid cameras than she has physically looking for her daughter. I was going to say "It's sad to say" ... should I say it? No. This case has gone beyond that now.

In my humble opinion, if this woman ever wants answers to her daughter's disappearance, she should go back to work and let her ex husband carry on for the family. Dave has good screen presence, you must admit. Jug, on the other hand, well ... let's just be polite and say Jug doesn't. If Beth Twitty does not wish to stop interfering with this case (Did I forget to mention her declaration of economic war against the only police force that can legally solve this case? I can't remember ... and by the way, feel FREE to EDIT this post ok??? Dr Phil? Was that you? ), she will only torture herself for another 18 months till this case is legally closed in Aruba 2 years from the date of her daughter's disappearance.

Grieving is healthy. A flow of emotion is healthy. But for God's sake, how many defence or prosecuting attorneys have you seen crying in the court room while they either defend or prosecute someone? How many police officials break down and cry whilst delivering a statement to the public? Emotion and grievance have their place, but they don't belong in a police investigation.

As if Beth Twitty's ugly attitude isn't enough to make you want to scream at times, we now have too many 18 year old "bloggers" posting their brainwashed thoughts about this case everywhere they can. They're more irritating than a herd of mice running around your home. You can't talk any sense to them. They believe, see and hear only what they want. They all sound like a KKK lynch mob, armed with torches, ready to insult any aspect of the Aruban culture, including the officials who run the country. It's fine to insult someone who has done something wrong. But it's downright ignorant to do it without any sort of proof. Unfortunately, these kids believe everything they hear from the US media, including the tabloid shows, and they ignore everything else .. mainly the FACTS. They spew it out, day after day after day ... they slander day after day after behind their little keyboards. I can almost see their evil little juvenile smiles when they post a message. Try this sometime ... read an inane post about this case from an 18 year old American about this case, close your eyes, and try to imagine what they look like when they click the "SUBMIT" button with their mouse. Do you see a little grin? A pointed head perhaps?

Just a parting thought ... when the book comes out, (I'm sorry to say that I even think this, but I do), I can see most of us buying it, no matter what our thoughts are right now (I'll buy mine second hand by the way) Most of us will watch the TV movie as well as the commercials that go with it. But like someone once said, "What ever goes right in this crazy world..."

Posted by: Jim Hanson at November 26, 2005 3:42 AM

Dear Debbie:

Thank you for confirming that Greta employed a filler, taped on 15 November 2005, in order to avoid discussion of the tapes.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2005 02:58 AM

Come on now, you can't be that stupid. They obviously plan these things ahead of time. You think they just filmed a show so they could randomly produce in order to keep from asking Beth questions on one particular night? Why would they do that even though they have already discussed the new revelations about the tape already, featuring an interview with Skeeters himself? Is that trying to avoid the question as well?

Posted by: DT at November 26, 2005 9:02 AM

hi Harry
i don't have much more to say on this matter ,but i will continue to check in on you from time to time and thanks a bunch for all your insight and information on the tragic dissappearance of Natalee Holloway and god bless her,but enough is enough already with Beth and her BS.
I will be the First Person to now turn my back and honestly say " ITS ALL OVER " it is now time for the people move on.

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR !!

Posted by: candy at November 26, 2005 10:03 AM

Hi Harry,

I seee that the "trolls" that bought down SM and www.natalleeholloway.net have discovered your site. I guess it was just a matter of time as the "wrecking crew" has also recently been visitng the RWV site. So sorry you have to put up with this.

Since this tape was made in a manner to suggest "entrapment", always wondered if it could ever be considered evidence in any court?

DT should go back in the archives of RWV, there he/she will find revelations from Arubans and American vacationers indicateding that there was gambling, drinking, dining, shoping for a new bathing suit,(to go on Geraldo's yacht) jewelry, etc. One poster claimed that there was a call placed to a very expensive restaurant on the island. The caller asked the restaurant to "comp" the dinners, the restaurant agreed (thinking they were accomodating two people), the group showed up in excess of twenty individuals expecting "comped" dinners. The restaruant graciously accomodated them. This is the kind of behavior that started the Aruban posters thinking about this entire fiasco.

What is starting to reach me and many other posters and readers is the fact that this whole scenario has now, for months, had absolutely nothing to do with the missing young woman. Posters on RWV have taken to listening to interviews and counting the number of time said young woman's name has been mentioned. It is a paulty few and very sad indeed. This has prompted many to ask the question "Who is searching for this young woamn?" "Why isn't it about her anymore?"

If you are a thinking person you might almost begin to wonder if they do not know what happened to her alreay. "Were they told that she is dead?", "Do they have any remains or evidence?", "Do they know if she has left of her own accord?" "Do they have any evidence?" "Do they know if she was 'kidnapped'?" "Do they perhaps have any evidence/" "What about the posters who indicated that she may have been in a delicate condition and will reusrface soon?" "What about the answer from the suspect about 'telling the truth', could the truth have something to do with a friendship with the missing woman?"

Hey DT and others, why don't you truthfully answers the questions everyone all over the internet, and people at coffee stations and water coolers everywhere have asked. Before they say "this is really wierd, something is up with this, I'm totally sick of hearing about it."

Posted by: Paul Revere at November 26, 2005 2:00 PM

Dear DT:

First, filler tactics are employed all the time. The original intent of the "grieving mother" program may not have been as a filler; however, given the recent negative DFI report, the program sufficed as a filler.

Second, the post-DFI Skeeter session was an intentional airing of Jamie Skeeter's authenticating the incriminating statements made by Deepak Kalpoe that were telecasted on the Dr. Phil Show and by the cable news networks. Jamie Skeeter was falling on his sword, legally, for the cable news networks and the Dr. Phil Show.

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry Author Profile Page at November 26, 2005 2:09 PM

SNIP: As if Beth Twitty's ugly attitude isn't enough to make you want to scream at times, we now have too many 18 year old "bloggers" posting their brainwashed thoughts about this case everywhere they can. They're more irritating than a herd of mice running around your home. You can't talk any sense to them. They believe, see and hear only what they want. They all sound like a KKK lynch mob, armed with torches, ready to insult any aspect of the Aruban culture, including the officials who run the country.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at November 26, 2005 03:42 AM

Jim:
I had to smile when I read your post; for while you have described my own frustrations with the more "difficult" posters to a tee, I have discovered that most of these said posters are nearing, if not already at, senior citizen status!

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 3:46 PM

Dr. Phil will not be sued nor will Jamie Skeeters. The tapes I doubt were "tampered" with. The Netherlands is not going to do anything that will implicate Judege van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. I think he probably had his way with her at his home when his son brought her there on the night she diappeared. He also had something to do with her disappearance. Take the point as rationally as you're capable. She just did not vanish into thin air. The "alleged" tampering bull goes right along with the Island of Aruba's screwing this thing up from the start. The 3 boys had sex with the girl and they know exactly what happened to her. There is no way in hell that Beth Twitty would fabricate nonsense. What would be her motive? She wants her daughter back or at least to know what happened. Do you people honestly think Dr. Phil would intentionally place his reputation, his career, his family, his association wtih professionals on the line by fabricating or engaging in mischievious actions? I rather the hell doubt it.

Posted by: dr_usa_23 at November 26, 2005 3:52 PM

Do you people honestly think Dr. Phil would intentionally place his reputation, his career, his family, his association wtih professionals on the line by fabricating or engaging in mischievious actions? I rather the hell doubt it.

Posted by: dr_usa_23 at November 26, 2005 03:52 PM

ABSOLUTELY. CBS has a solid history of just this sort of thing. Does the name Dan Rather ring any bells?

Posted by: Max at November 26, 2005 4:35 PM

'"She just did not vanish into thin air."
Posted by: dr_usa_23 at November 26, 2005 03:52 PM

I agree with you there. With the sould beach festival, the island packed with tourists, boats anchored in the harbor, how come no one saw a damn thing?

Everything else, you have to substantiate.

Ratings are crucial. IMO, The Dr. Phil program my be in a "ratings cisis". The better question would be "Why would Oprah Winfrey, who just finished a major lawsuit because of a similar question or "facts", be willing to stick her neck out again? Has she checked all the "facts" in this scenario? Her going along with this might be the impetus for us to look at what is going on. What is going on?

Posted by: Pollyanna at November 26, 2005 5:20 PM

Dear Dr. USA:

What you are saying is that the Dutch Forensic Institute (DFI) lied about their authentication checks of the Skeeter tapes. That would take a lot more guts than brains, now wouldn't it?

With Aloha,

Harry

Posted by: harry Author Profile Page at November 26, 2005 7:00 PM

I don't get the connection with Oprah. She hasn't had a show on this subject. Is it that Harpo owns the Dr Phil show? Does it? Even so, she wouldn't be looking over and approving every show, would she? Also, isn't Phil's show syndicated? Here, it is on NBC, not CBS.

Harry, I agree with what you've said, and appreciate your thoughts and work on this. Please explain how Oprah would be liable for what's on Phil's show. (although I know you are not the one who brought it up)

Thank you.

Posted by: np at November 26, 2005 8:10 PM

Produced by Paramount Domestic Television in partnership with Harpo Productions and King World Productions, the hit series draws on Dr. Phil's 30 years of experience in psychology and human functioning. Having begun his TV career as Oprah's resident expert on human behavior, Dr. Phil continues to deal with real-life, in-the-real-world issues with his signature style.

http://www.drphil.com/shows/page/bio/

Posted by: hesterprynne at November 26, 2005 8:43 PM

thank you, Hester. I knew it started under Oprah's "umbrella", but didn't know it was still there. So I guess legally, that could make her liable? I wonder how one would protect oneself in a situation like that, where one didn't have the overall approval of everything on each of the shows? I wonder if she might cut Phil loose.

Posted by: np at November 26, 2005 9:04 PM

It's done now. Those shows are in the can. Lwyers always sue everyone and anyone. So, if there is a lawsuit these attorneys will probably do the same.

Don't understand why Dr. Phil would jeopardize his friendship with Oprah by putting her in a position where she would have legal entanglements?

Posted by: hester prynne at November 26, 2005 9:48 PM

Dear Harry

Lets admit it, somebody is wrong here. I doubt more facts would help, but I'm unwilling to dig them up. Will say for sure if Beth Twitty hadn't been there it would still be one happy island. I saw Beth's sunburned face. I guess some people could move right along knowing that their daughter had been raped and killed or now living a life as a prostitute. Lets just go and give up now and find her converted to a crack whore years later. It does happen you know

Posted by: Allan Author Profile Page at November 27, 2005 1:19 AM

Newsflash from World Weekly News: Exclusive interview with Beth Twitty.

Beth Twitty confessed in an interview with this highly rated tabloid that hurricane Katrina kept her off the airwaves for 3 weeks and that Joe "The Pipe" Mammana swept her off her feet into a whirlwind affair.


Better get your copy off your local newstand now!

Posted by: Maurice Escargot at November 27, 2005 3:34 AM

Funny thing ... the thread here is fabricated evidence. Would you like to read the latest fabricated article by scared monkeys? By the way, only scared monkeys has this information from Jamie Skeeters. This is another ruse on scared monkey's part to try and keep their 16 year old audience riveted and brainwashed, making "Skeeter" look innocent of anything ... read and have fun folks:

Natalee Holloway Investigation: Some comments from Jaime Skeeters

There seems to be much confusion with the tapes/CD’s that were sent to Holland to be examined. Jaime Skeeter’s CD’s that he provided have be authenticated as being genuine. According to Dompig, Dutch forensic investigators heard Deepak say, “he didn’t” from the tapes. Skeeters claims that “even his grandmother” could hear the tapes he provided the ALE and Skeeters stands behind his comment that Deepak said, “he did”. What does Dompig claim he heard? One question also remains, which tape/CD is Dompig referring to that they Dutch are saying is Deepak’s denial? The so called manipulated tape; is this the tape they state Deepak’s denial, or is it Skeeter’s, or both? The following are some quick comments from Jaime Skeeters with regards to the tape and Dompig’s comments that he gave exclusively to Scared Monkeys.

Dompig told me that he can hear Deepak make the statement “we did…and you would be surprise how simple it was..” on my CD.

Dompig also stated that the Phil tapes are not that clear and it sounds like “we didn’t… and you would be surprise how simple it was”.

I asked Dompig if Deepak had said “we didn’t” then why in the hell did he immediately follow up with..”and you would be surprise how simple it was”.

Dompig agreed with me that the follow up statement makes sense with “we did”and not with the statement “we didn’t”..

I told Dompig that I have never seen or heard the Phil tapes that he down loaded from my CD. I also told him that “most” everyone knows that when you down load something off a CD to beta/VHS tapes that you lose at lease one full generation of clarity.

Dompig stated that he understood that but sense he has two sets of tapes that he must send them in for verification. I explained that Phil tapes are not altered, they are edited.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at November 27, 2005 6:08 AM

Now you tell me ... this article was written to make Dompig look like a five year old moron wearing a dunce cap and confuse their brainwashed groupies into thinking that Skeeter is totally innocent.

Does the information in this article look direct and accurately written to anyone? You have to read it twice to actually try and make any sense of it, and when you do, you simply see that it's misleading. This isn't the first article on the tapes issue they've written this way. The usual manner in which their articles are produced is to omit certain information which leads one to believe that the Dutch Team is lying, and the Skeeter/Phil/Twitty clan are innocent of any wrongdoing.

When the mud hits the fan, I hope 50% of it smacks scared monkeys right in the face.

Posted by: Jim Hanson at November 27, 2005 6:26 AM

MARK (VERMOND) Furhman - O J CASE HE BLEW THE HOLE CASE, HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR lying not on TV. HE IS A JOKE AS AND EXPERT.

Posted by: Ribby at November 27, 2005 7:06 AM

What I am saying is that I rather doubt Dr. Phil would put his career on the line and tells lies and fabricate mischief. One must understand that Dr. Phil has gotten involved with the FBI, and I doubt he'd lie or misguide them. He's also been involved with former FBI, Law Enforcement, Secret Service, Private Investigator's and there's no way he'd involve them in a scheme of falsifications. NO WAY. Also that it's very obvious the Arubans screwed up the investigation from day one. That Judge van der Sloot WOULD NOT allow anyone to enter his home for an investigation. WHY? He RAN from reporters. WHY?

Beth Twitty has not been involved in any affair. Where do you people get this crap?

Natalee Holloway disappeard because some out of control boys just had to have sex with her. They saw an opportunity to "take advantage" of her and did just that. She's now most likely dead.

Why won't the three boys, Kalpoe's and van der Sloot...........take a lie detector test, on TV, in front of Aruban and American Officials??

This entire thing stinks to high heaven and the shenanigans of the Aruban Gov't clearly indicates foul play, as well as foul odor.

On another point.......Mark Furhman didn't blow anything. OJ Simpson got off because he's rich, he's a celebrity, he a famous football player, and most all the jurors were BLACK. The ole' proverbial "race card".

Posted by: dr_usa_23 at November 27, 2005 11:56 AM

OK, let's take it one step at a time:

"Natalee Holloway disappeard because some out of control boys just had to have sex with her. They saw an opportunity to "take advantage" of her and did just that."
Do you have any proof of this, several aruban judges didn't so the suspects were set free.

"She's now most likely dead."
Why do some many who purport to support the family of the missing young woman so desperately want to believe this? Why have they concocted the most horrible scenarios to prove their point?
Why dan't you guys believe that she is in all probability alive somewhere?
Why aren't you expending your energy pushing for people to go out and find her?

"What I am saying is that I rather doubt Dr. Phil would put his career on the line and tells lies and fabricate mischief. One must understand that Dr. Phil has gotten involved with the FBI, and I doubt he'd lie or misguide them. He's also been involved with former FBI, Law Enforcement, Secret Service, Private Investigator's and there's no way he'd involve them in a scheme of falsifications. NO WAY."

First of all, Dr. Phil is presently involved in a lawsuit over his diet, don't you think that is putting his career on the line?
Second, just like the "tapes" were edited for his show, he may be editing what he is saying to his "audience" but responding truthfully to law enforcement. IMO, he doesn't seem to be telling the audience everything he knows. Perhaps when every tape is "in the can" on this debacle they will know everything he knows, dolled out to them like anxious children on Christmas morning.

"NO WAY. Also that it's very obvious the Arubans screwed up the investigation from day one. That Judge van der Sloot WOULD NOT allow anyone to enter his home for an investigation. WHY? He RAN from reporters. WHY?"

This, at the present time, is a toally false statement. You will not know whether the ARuban authorities "screwed up the investigation" until such time as they bring a suspect to trial or when two years elapse. Then and only then, will you be able to truthfully make this statement, if, in fact, at that time, the statement proves to be true.

The Judge, the suspect's father, was under no obligation to let anyone into his home. Since the aruban judges did not order a "search" of his home until later, he had no reason to believe he should speak to anyone or allow anyone into his private domain. If you will recall, the articles from the first two weeks show that the home (compound) was searched not only by aruban authorities but by FBI with search dogs. Don't you trust the FBI? I don't blame the judge from "running from the press", they have made a sham out of this whole incident.

"Beth Twitty has not been involved in any affair. Where do you people get this crap?"
Since this has absolutely no bearin whatsoever on the situation at hand, to find the missing woman, I don't know why anyone is even bringing it up. It is really none of anyone's business.

"Why won't the three boys, Kalpoe's and van der Sloot...........take a lie detector test, on TV, in front of Aruban and American Officials?? "
The answer here is plain and simple, no attorney, worth their salt, anywhere in the world would let their client do this. Also, lie detector tests are not admissable in court. Really, what is the point?

"This entire thing stinks to high heaven and the shenanigans of the Aruban Gov't clearly indicates foul play, as well as foul odor."
This is your opinion and should be stated as such. Relations with the Dutch and the United States are good. We really don't know at this point what has transpired as their system is very "closed mouth" about legal things. You would not want the prosecutor discussing the evidence with you becasue then, according to the Dutch system, she could not use it in court. Maybe you ought to give the arubans and the dutch a chance.

"On another point.......Mark Furhman didn't blow anything. OJ Simpson got off because he's rich, he's a celebrity, he a famous football player, and most all the jurors were BLACK. The ole' proverbial "race card"."

Posted by: dr_usa_23 at November 27, 2005 11:56 AM

Transcripts exist of this trial. You may want to go back and re read them. YOur highly bigoted response just makes you look small. You should remember thought that Johnny Cochran, God rest his soul, was one hell of an attorney.

What worries me is that people spew this nonsense all over the internet and then others pick it up and declare it fact and, before you know it, it is part of the giant rumor mill that has surrounded this case.

Since day one, have always supported the family and the missing woman but, have always believed in the tenet "innocent until proven guilty". You should re read all the early Birmingham newspaper articles and the AP and CNN and FOX and you will learn that the suspects were followed from day one and their cell phone were tapped. All by order of an Aruban judge.

Did you ever think that maybe there is no evidence that the missing young woman is dead because maybe she isn't dead? Maybe she is alive and has to be rescued or found.

"

Posted by: Little Bo Peep at November 27, 2005 12:52 PM

Little Bo Peep, wonderfull comment, agree with it 100 %. dr_usa had allready made earlier comments, in which he or she is exposing how ignorant he or she is.

Writing about the dutch protecting a son of a judge.....He or she has no idea about the Netherlands and our justice system. That is certainly not allowed.

Posted by: Louiza at November 27, 2005 2:06 PM

@Dr_usa, do not know what kind of a DR you are , but, If you are supporting one group at least document yourself before posting. Is ridiculous, you make commentaries that does not have any grounds, ex., the FBI brought dogs to search the house the VDS family opened their doors.
However, I have seen Beth avoiding to answer;etc,. NOW fabricating evidence this is serious crime. They want to hang 3 youngsters, because they left with Natalee, and what about the statement that Natalee was seen afterwards by some of the MBKs?
Dr Phil and Jaime skeeters, had the tapes edited, manipulated or the way you want to name it, it is not fair to cut and paste to incriminate nobody. Anyways, now is the FBI to decide what they should do with the crooked, right?
USA media allowed this to be international, now I think they should apologize the same way. Everybody is expecting the result of this circus. A lot of people, in many Countries, we are expecting the right answer from the FBI.
Right now, we are wondering the ability that the FBI has to verify the evidence before sending it to another Country.
Salut!!

Posted by: antoinette at November 27, 2005 5:11 PM

I'm wondering about those tapes. On one hand, we heard that the FBI had them first and they sent them on. On the other hand, we heard that the FBI just got them a few days ago. Ok, on the third hand (???) we heard that Dompig is sending them to the FBI. Did I miss any other reports of the transmission of the tapes or CD? And then there is the hard drive.

Posted by: np at November 27, 2005 7:41 PM

Poor Natalee.

She went missing in Aruba, six months ago... She is somewhere. Either alive, or dead.

Yet her mother is to busy in the USA (after giving up her "search" after 2.5 months), running around the country, searching for any show that would put her on TV. Spending weeks with a FELON, and going out "clubbing" with him. Going to NYC, to shop, while waiting to be on TV...yet, will NOT go back to the place YOU went missing from, and helping the authorities to find out what happened to you! She won't even go home, to help take care of your younger brother, unless Greta or Barbara Walters comes with camera in tow, to do an interview with her.

Then her father, bless his heart, has tried to be there, but has to wait until his church collects enough $$ to keep him going back, to conduct searches for you. Unfortunately your mother, for whatever her reasons are, will not share the money collected for YOUR searches. This poor guy, I really feel for him...

I am praying for YOU, Natalee! That your either found, by someone who has seen your picture, and spots you, or that YOUR remains are found, evidence is gathered, enough to bring some type of justice for you! May God Bless you.

Posted by: Donna at November 27, 2005 8:22 PM

@Donna.
It will be really nice of Dave also that he also will share the money of the fund with the people that is making the search. No Dave or Beth had even offer one cent for the search and this is goal of the fund. FOR NATALEE's search. and 250 th for the safe return. I do believe that both of them have been really injust with the Aruban people.
They have the money to fabricate evidence and when they arrive in Aruba seems they have quite a lot of courtesy at the hotel, meals, transportation, plus some really good deals from continental and AA according to some posts from them thanking this people.
Do not cry for others..maybe they wont cry for you.
Antoinette

Posted by: antoinette at November 27, 2005 10:23 PM

Antoinette...

I sincerely believe that Dave doesn't have the funding that Beth has received. Dave has said, that his church and HIS community was helping to offset costs for his travels, and that he has to wait until their is enough collected to once again, return to Aruba. Is the public being deceived? I don't know.

In fact and of course again, I need to stress this...as being MY opinion, they are conducting a FRAUD on the Natalee Holloway web site, by making it LOOK like Dave and Robin are also receiving monies from this "fund", by having their names "signed" at the bottom.

When I first heard that Dave had received NO monies, didn't know there was such a HUGE fund, I was OUTRAGED. I thought when I sent in my donation, that it was going to be used by BOTH families to offset travel/searches for ALL.

Never again, will I be duped.

As for being ungratefull to ALL Arubans who helped this family, without such as a thank-you, well it shows the CHARACTER of Beth, Jugs, etc.


I still think Natalee ran. I think she came from ONE dysfunctional/divorced family, and had to then move into another one which was worse, with Jugs and his "demanding perfection"..and having to "coach" her how to become the perfect Mt Brook Stepford teenager. And with a mother who cares more for "social standing" and having MONEY than she EVER did about her own daughter. This is now proven how in the last 6 months she hasn't been home all of 10 days. Really shows what type of mother she is to her teen son, doesn't it? She would rather spend time in NYC, L.A. and of course philly with a KNOWN wife abuser/rapist, in his mansion, and go out clubbing with him at night. She is a ridculous creature. Grief? She hasn't shown she has been a "grieving" mother since day one. She acts like a proverbial spoiled child, not used to hearing NO..and demanding, and controlling. If Natalee DID run..I hope she is enjoying her life.

Posted by: Donna at November 27, 2005 10:56 PM

I'd like to give Beth, the greiving mother, the benefit of doubt. I think that many took advantage of her blind grief and pushed her overboard; those I'm talking about would be the media, talk show hosts to increase their ratings and then the huge following of shady, crooked, users like Jossy, Mamanna, TJ WARd, on and on. Then on the other hand, to find out that she doesn't give Dave money that was to go toward searching, and which Dave actively did, also the fact that TES was not given money by Beth for all the expenses they incurred, which must have been a huge expense, who did pay them? Taxpayers of USA? Beth doesn't give out for any expenses? What is she doing with it? Nothing sounds right here, and then it's not hard to figure she is scamming the general public in USA and Aruba.
For all those who think the investigation in Aruba is at a standstill, think again. The ALE doesn't give a play by play account for what they are doing or receiving in terms of evidence in the case, but we can rest assured there's much investigating behind the scenes, quietly and progressively. We don't know what is on the authenticated , untampered tapes and for all we know, other leads have come out of them. Rather than accuse the ALE, possibly we can wait without condemning them, and respect their way of dealing with the investigation.

Posted by: iperp at November 28, 2005 12:02 AM

I was very upset when I read that Dave wasn't receiving any help from the fund. I had only sent a little money to the fund, but I thought it was for the whole family. So, I sent money to the fund at Dave Holloway's bank. When I received a thank you note, I sent money to his house. Now I feel like I have been fair.

Posted by: molly at November 28, 2005 1:28 AM

Did I see the word investigation in that last post? I believe I did. Investigation. Yes. Is it alright if I talk about the investigation for a few moments?

Thanks!

The FBI and the DFI both have renditions of this "Skeeter" person's original, genuine 2 hour video of Deepak Kalpoe's head and shoulders (from the rear) while he was being secretly interviewed. The DFI has informed Mr Dompig that the exact sequence of words "I'm sure she had sex with you" .. "She did" .. "You wouldn't believe how simple it was" is not on this genuine dvd. "Skeeter" (What kind of name is Skeeter?) claims that the sequence of words DOES exist on his original dvd. Dompig asked "Skeeter" early last week to come down to Aruba so he could watch and hear the whole dvd himself, so he could clearly be aware that this sequence of words does not exist on his original genuine dvd. "Skeeter" told Dompig "Sure, he'll buy the first beer and I'll buy dinner." (I think beers and dinner is the wrong way to go about this myself .. how about a bowl of popcorn at headquarters while he watches and listens to the dvd he created ... the one he claims he hasn't completely watched). Uh huh .. ok. Now "Skeeter" hung on to this interview for quite some time without revealing it to either the FBI or the Aruban police. My gosh almighty, if I had an interview with Deepak Kalpoe on a dvd in which he admitted to having 4 way sex with Natalee Holloway, I would have been a hero within days and had that baby in the hands of the proper authorities. But "Skeeter" chose not to be a hero. Why is this? The man is a bit of a hasbeen, he's retired on pension I believe, from the FBI. So .. he could have been someone so special. My gosh! But no. Ok.

Why did "Skeeter" wait till months later to do anything with this interview. I think this is an extremely important question here. Why did he wait until the coalition of Beth Twitty, Phil Dona .. I mean "Dr. Phil" and Joe Mammana was formed. Another question. Did he form this coalition himself? I myself think these are very interesting questions. "Skeeter" has heard the juice from the DFI ... now I ask you ... where is "Skeeter" right now? Is he still at home? has his butt been parked behind a closed door with his attorney? Is it still parked there? why isn't this man drinking beers and knawing on seafood with Chief Dompig as I speak? This man has told Dompig that he's a liar, that Deepak Kalpoe admits on his genuine original dvd that he had 4 way sex with you know who with two other men. Gee, gosh darn it all anyway, if I was this man, I would have been in Aruba last week to protect my credibility. But for some reason, "Skeeter" is taking his time accepting this invitation by Chief Dompig. Is he out of boxer shorts? Does he need to go shopping?

Well ... what about the FBI ... in my lifetime, I've followed a few things the FBI has done. When they swoop down on a case, they usually do a fast and tremendous job. They have the skills. They have the forensic tools. Thing is though, on this one, they don't have to interview hundreds of people to find a suspect. They don't have to scour square inches of an automobile looking for evidence. They don't have to check anyone's library cards here. Why is the FBI taking so long to corroborate the results of this this A/V material that's in the DFI's hands as well? Let's be honest ok. I think I know. But because of the possibility of sounding like a "gang rape - murder - cover up groupie", I'll refrain from telling you what I think at this time. It's not my place to tell you.

This brings up another aspect of what may go on inside the "coalition" in the next few weeks. The longer it takes for the FBI to come clean with their results regarding this issue, the longer the "coalition" has to confer and plan. Now geez gosh darn almighty ... heaven forbid I should use the phrase "cover up" .... ok I won't. No. Sounds cheesy doesn't it. Are any of you KKK like torch bearing racist scoundrels reading this right now?
Aw come on. You know who you are....

Ok, I'm not paranoid, (I was when I was in my twenties, but that was decades ago) but I can't help feel in my gut that ... well ... something really stinks here. I have the whole picture right between my eyes. You know, there are times like this when I wish I had gone to law school. But I didn't. It's probably for the best anyway. Did you hear the one about the 5 thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? ... Never mind.

Ok, so I'm a layman. But I've been around. I smell the obvious. There's no blinders on me. There is nothing more suspicious than silence. That's what my Mom used to tell me, God rest her soul.

Alright .. moving on ... I think the reason I'm writing this is .. yes I saw the word investigation in a post. This investigation is being stalled. That's right. Why aren't people talking more about the investigation? Why are we reading and writing about certain people's activities? I have followed this thing from day 1 and it seems to me that there WAS an investigation. I thought 3 suspects were arrested, but eventually released for lack of evidence. I'm still under the impression that the main suspect was detained for 90 days, questioned, and released on Sept 3d, as he should have been under Dutch law. Had the prosecution filed enough evidence to the Judge at that time and had that evidence been deemed sufficient enough to incarcerate him for a longer period of time, he would have been. Is this right? Actually it was Sept 4th, but who's counting. No wait. Beth told the press it was Katrina's fault. She told the press that because of this hurricane, the media would shift from Aruba to the southern states, and this was the convenient time to release the three suspects (two of which were re-arrested about 10 days earlier). That's right .. I'm sorry. They were all released because of hurricane Katrina. Again, I'm sorry. Funny thing though ... Beth Twitty was aware of the 90 day manditory holding period for a suspect under Dutch law ... Aw heck, let's believe Beth!

Ok ... there was an investigation ... the focus was on three suspects. They were all released for lack of evidence. Is this the first time this has happenned on our planet? No. You'd sure think it was though, wouldn't you (wink wink) ... So ... why not fire the whole police force and hire a new one in Aruba. Let's start the investigation over again, from square one, compliments of Beth Twitty. This is no problem! Beth is the most important human being residing on this planet right now ... (According to Beth) ... Let's do it, shall we? Because the investigation is ... well ... is there anyone to arrest and charge right now? Uh .. no. Well, let's boycott Aruba then ... for the simple reason that Beth isn't happy! Sure .. shall we do it? Let's give Beth Twitty all our money, our firstborn, and our eye teeth for good measure. I know only so well how much women love attention. Right now, as if she hasn't had enough already, Beth Twitty is trying to suck as much pity and attention from anyone she can to fulfill her needs. I've seen this woman on television lately ... she's on heavy medication ... she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. She won't go home to her family. (Is the room service getting addicting?) I'm sorry for being sarcastic at times about Beth Twitty, but I have my personal reasons for being this way.

Have any of you ever asked yourself this question? "Who the hell does Beth Twitty think she is?" I certainly have. Look, what rock did this woman push aside and crawl over? It's more than obvious from personal viewing that this woman was unhappy before her daughter went missing. She's an overbearing mother and wife. We've all seen tv footage of Beth Twitty and her current husband and it's very easy to see who wears the pants in the family. We've seen dave Holloway on the tube as well, and anyone with any real life experience can spot why the two are not married anymore. After watching the unfolding chapters of this disappearance, it's so easy to put the puzzle together. Adult human beings are the product of their upbringing. Beth Twitty was obviously a spoiled child ... she was granted almost every wish she desired. When the word "No" appears in front of women like Beth Twitty ... well, let's just say, it's not a pleasant thing to watch or feel. Jug, I give you credit right now.

Beth Twitty feels she is the Queen of the Universe right now. Her emotional stability is zero and the only reason she's able to speak at this moment is due to the marvels of modern science and medication. How much torture will this woman put herself through? I know through personal experience that this woman has replaced her daughter's disappearance with a different life. (I lost my wife 7 years ago to large cell breast cancer and watched her life and my soul die for close to 5 months. I replaced my life with something so awfully negative that I almost lost my business and had to see two psychologists on a rotating basis twice a week for over 6 months.) Beth Twitty is still far away from even confronting this loss. I learned about replacement with mine. When and if Beth ever goes home for good, she will collapse and whither. This is why right now she is spewing her anger and gathering love, attention and pity wherever she can get it. You can say I'm wrong, but I'm not. I happen to know. Believe me, I stopped smashing expensive oil equipment and burning invoices whilst drunk at 4 am in the morning years ago. My two grown children know who I am again and love me. Things take time. The most important thing you have to face when you're ripped to shreds is actually admitting to yourself that you have a problem. The next big step is doing something about it.


Posted by: Jim Hanson at November 28, 2005 5:20 AM

Dear Jim

I hear your disgust Jim. You can't even say Skeeters without an overflow of anger. Calm down my friend. Since you followed the case from day one, you seem to have forgot a lot.

Posted by: Allan Author Profile Page at November 28, 2005 9:41 PM



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