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November 10, 2005

HarryTho 11/10 Natalee Holloway Update And Commentary (Much more on the boycott issue)

Topics: Natalee Holloway
[Aruba wants President Bush to blow the whistle on Bob Riley (]

Here's the "still being edited and put together" version of tonight's post on Natalee Holloway recent events. We were hit by a barrage of spammers earlier this evening, so what readers end up with tonight is a "semi-unedited" version.

Thank you for your patience, and please catch our synopsis at the end of tonight's post. To put it succinctly, we believe that it's high time that everyone gets back to what the real focus of the entire Natalee Holloway episode is about - and that's finding Natalee, not all this noise, and fodder for cable's talking heads!

In the meantime, here's everything you never wanted to hear about regarding the Bob Riley boycott of Aruba, and a few other more interesting bits of information.

Begining from earlier today at Aruba Getagrip:

The Aruban government awaits a declaration from Governor Riley of Alabama concerning what he intends to accomplish from the boycott. Depending on the Governor of Alabama's declaration, this could be a prelude to legal action:

Aruba wants Minister Bot to call the American Ambassador in The Hague to ask for clarification about what Bob Riley wants to achieve with a boycott of Aruba. Because in reality, it is the judicial system guaranteed by Holland which is being questioned.

The government of Aruba questions the timing of the call for a boycott just when Aruba's:

Premier Oduber calculates that when local authorities stated that they want to investigate in Alabama the trust and investigate in America more of the students and friends of Natalee...suddenly, something strong came in Aruba's direction.

Same as the are investigating here, police have a right to investigate in America what happened exactly to put all the pieces of the puzzle together to hopefully know what happened, for the people of Aruba to show the world that it has not conspired nor created a cover-up.

The moment has come for Holland to tell the Americans loud and clear that the legal system is not corrupt. It's time to stop all the accusations that have not been confronted! Aside from this, Premier Oduber declared that now, little by little he believes that Natalee's mother has a goal different than searching for her daughter.

He believes that Aruba treated Natalee's mother in a nice manner. But the mother has a "crisis of confidence" and he can't take her out of this. Aruba hopes that the State Department disapproves of a boycott against the island. Today it shall be seen if it will be in a position to do so.

The only response received from America: State Department of the U.S., press attaché, Amanda D. Rogers-Harper sent to DIARIO, reads as follows:

"As I indicated, there is currently no U.S. government boycott or travel restriction on U.S. citizens visiting Aruba."

Despite the US government's denouncements of Governor Riley's boycott, the governor's staff initiated:

The member news update of OSSN, Outside Sales Support Network, which is an organization which gives support to independent travel agents, put this as their first item. They even put this above the travel advisory to France and Monaco.

France is going through serious problems with riots and curfews which have led to a travel advisory. And Aruba where everyone lives in peace and tranquility gets a boycott?

OSSN has more than 6,000 independent travel agents as members in the U.S., Canada and Puerto Rico.

With 6,000 travel agents notified of the boycott, the government of Aruba:

... wants the American President George W. Bush to blow the whistle on Riley and make it clear to him that a boycott of Aruba is out of the question.

Already from the beginning, the Twitty couple were stuck to the 'cover-up' theory and we cannot convince them of different", said Oduber. Although the investigation team couldn't find any substantial evidence against the suspects in this case, the team has worked hard and efficient. "The case is still open and Twitty knows this." When all this is over with, there will be a thorough investigation on the current one. "If mistakes were made, they will come to light right away." The Twitty's and Riley cannot insist on replacing some persons from the investigation team. "They have no right to demand that. This is a matter that only concerns our country."

Dutch group D66 of which the Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister for Kingdom Relations are members have queried the Dutch government with a series of questions:


1. Have you taken knowledge of the fact that Aruba lies at present heavily under fire in the American press as a result of the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway?

2. Is it correct that American authorities, such as the governor and a majority of the members of Parliament of Alabama, calls to a boycott of Aruba? And that the governor of Alabama his colleagues in 49 other states ask do the same (to see also volkskrant Article of 9 November 2005).

3. How you assess the fact that also in well-watched American television shows, such as those of Dr. Phil and Jay Leno, it has been called to a boycott against Aruba?

4. It is correct that also commercial American organizations such as tour operators, busy its their activities m..b.t. Aruba to suspend?

5. You share my opinion that American boycott will have serious consequences on the economy of Aruba, which for a large part dependent is on tourists, of who the majority American?

6. Are you prepared for there at the American ambassador c.q. his substitute to insist the call to boycott should be withdrawn c publicly by the Americans authorities have to be contradicted?

7. Which steps will you undertake still more to support Aruba and the American boycott to conclude to help?"

It is signed by Arjen de Wolff, who is the political secretary of the D66 fractie, Tweede Kamaer the Staten-Generaal.

Some background on D66:

These are two serving ministers of parliament in the Dutch government that belong to D66. Brinkhorst is Deputy Prime Minister, second most powerful minister in Holland. The position of deputy prime minister generally means your party's political power is integral to the formation of the government in a parliamentary democracy. And, he is well connected!

Pechtold is the person to which most of these grievances against Americans are delivered.

Governor Riley will not survive criticism by the Dutch government.

Laurens Jan Brinkhorst (born March 18, 1937) is a Dutch politician.

He is a member of D66 which is a Dutch political party. He has been an undersecretary of state of foreign affairs and a minister of agriculture. Furthermore he has presided the D66-group at the Second Chamber of the Dutch parliament. Currently he is a minister of economical affairs.

Journalists gave him the nickname Brilly the kid. He is also the father of the Dutch princess Laurentien Brinkhorst, who married Prince Constantijn.

Alexander Pechtold (born December 16, 1965) is a Dutch politician. He is a member of D66, a Dutch social liberal party.

Pechtold studied art history and archeology at Leiden University, obtaining a degree in 1996. He also obtained a certification as auctioneer and worked for the Van Stockum's Veilingen during his studies. He was elected president of D66 in 2002. At that time he was alderman of Leiden, where earlier he functioned as councillor. He was appointed mayor of Wageningen in 2003. In 2005 he became Minister for Government Reform and Kingdom Relations in the second cabinet of Jan Peter Balkenende.

Other Dutch response emanates from the Aruban Police Union:

In voicing their opinion on the Beth Twitty case as Police Union, union president Eric Zaandam finds that Aruba has treated Beth Twitty too good to now be the victim of a call for boycott.

So far we have been quiet. Because we are aware of the general interest we did not react from the beginning when we concluded that this lady is not serious, certainly when she constantly changes her own version on the case of the disappearance of her daughter.

Beth Twitty had a preferential treatment in Aruba because she was getting all information on the progress of the case. This, according to Zaandam, caused Beth Twitty and her group to think that they can do anything in Aruba. She even went that far to ask FBI to take over the investigation and not to let our own police do the job.

Beth Twitty is an insolent person, interfering with the Public Prosecutor and demanding to impose her wish. This is a lesson for all of us, according to Zaandam. On the other hand our own people, such as the Minister of Justice Rudy Croes, have created the opportunity for Beth Twitty and her group to interfere and make demands in a letter. It was the very Rudy Croes who asked to remove Head Attorney Karen Janssen and Jan van der Straten from the case. We can all remember the day when he (Croes) returned from Brazil and introduced Commissioner Gerold Dompig as the new person in charge of the investigation.

And now because the Government informed that they cannot interfere with the Public Prosecutor where the official are appointed by the Kingdom Government, Beth Twitty and her family now think that our Government does not have any power and that Holland has all say in Aruba. And now the family wants to go to Holland.

According to Zaandam, this situation will not stop until Natalee Holloway is found, dead or alive.

Additionally, the Aruba Hotel and Tourist Association (AHATA) speaks out:

Things have gone too far and it cannot be permitted that innocent persons will become victims of an irresponsible act by the Governor of Alabama, according to Lesker.

He clearly said that diplomacy must continue and that the Government must attend to this case at the highest possible level to present the other side of the coin.

Jeff Lesker said that very soon the other side of the coin will be presented in the local as well as in the international press, which probably has already started, because he was waiting on confirmation to provide telephone interviews with international communication media.

At the moment when Alabama Governor called for a boycott of Aruba a lot of people, including those that were already fed-up with the actions of the Twitty family against Aruba as well as those that were still in favor of a continued friendly approach to Twitty, said that "this is as far as we go", our people cannot be jeopardized by such a case where there is no proof whatsoever that the girl was murdered as is being said, and where everything else is pure speculation brought to life by the US media.

Acting Ambassador, Charges d'Affaires, Chat Blakeman confirms the position of the United States government with respect to Governor Riley's boycott:

The Governor of Alabama, Bob Riley, receives no support of the United States Government for his call to boycott Aruba as a vacation destination.

Prior to receiving the United States' position with respect to Governor Riley's boycott, some high drama ensued within the Aruban parliament:

Prime Minister Nel Oduber started to suggest that they have to look at the Public Ministry for who is responsible for this situation. Nel Oduber insinuated in the direction of the Attorney General, Head Officer Of Justice and other police functionaries who have failed in this case.

The rancour of Rudy Lampe against the AG, Therese Croes-Pedra came out right away.

Lampe, with his eyes open wide and apparently very emotional came forth with the proposition to give Nel Oduber the complete authority to retire the AG, the Head Officer of Justice and others and at the same time open an investigation into the case. Also, Rudy Lampe instigated towards that the whole parliament has to support removing these people and no one will talk of political persecution.

In a hysterical manner the two figures starting speaking about the decision to retire [those responsible] and an official investigation of the Public Ministry.

At this moment the leader of the AVP faction, Mike Eman got up and practically said that people come to their senses and realized what they are saying.

He showed that Aruba cannot enter into such an adventure and that it has no basis or sense to go in this preposterous direction. This discussion, in the end, came to call for them to take care of not turn a crisis into a national drama with heads falling unjustly and against all rules of governmental seriousness.

In an interview DIARIO held with Prime Minister Nel Oduber, he could not deny that this took place in parliament and that this macabre plan was prevented by a certain person in the opposition who stood up and stopped it. Nel Oduber regretted that these news came out because it was a serious meeting.

On the other hand, it has to be said that the information is circulating on the street because many of those who were at the meeting, among others people from the Task Force, who were shocked by the proposition of Nel Oduber and Rudy Lampe, came with him.

It was spoken as if the persons here fell into a kind of hysteria based on the hatred they have for figures in the Public Ministry and police and they want to use the Holloway case to remove them.

One resolution forthcoming from the correspondences is that:

Plans are in the works to send an Aruban investigator, involved with the Natalee Holloway case, to Alabama in order to resolve disputes with how the case was handled.

AOL News - Congressman: Aruban investigator headed to U.S. on missing teen case.

Aruba has agreed to send its chief investigator to the United States to answer questions about the case of missing teenager Natalee Holloway, an Alabama congressman said Thursday.

Rep. Spencer Bachus (His district includes Mountain Brook, Alabama) said he requested the meeting to help resolve questions about how the investigation has been handled by authorities on the Caribbean island, a Dutch protectorate.

"It would be helpful to have an official verification, from the Aruban authorities themselves, of what has been done in the investigation to get a more accurate reading of how the Aruban government has cooperated," Bachus said.

Although I know several groups are suggesting such a visit, I personally have not received the request from my government. Such a decision has to be made by the Aruba government," Dompig told The Associated Press.

From the perspective of potential damage claims against Governor Riley of Alabama, Riehl World View posters have expressed some possibilities:

Riehl World View: Natalee Holloway Discussion 288 So what we have here, a way to sue gov of Alabama, beth twitty and everyone who is violating us law.



Posted by: maria | Nov 10, 2005 2:24:07 PM

Both maria and Jr. Dutch Attorney in USA legal opinions from Dan's blog are accurate.
It would appear that the Alabama governor's call for a boycott has been heard in Philadelphia:

AOL News - Aruba boycott over missing teen case may spread to Philadelphia

Two Philadelphia city councilman planned to introduce a resolution Thursday night asking their colleagues to endorse the boycott called earlier this week by the governor of Alabama, the missing U.S. teen's home state.

Comment: I saw one of the Philadelphia City Councilmen last night on Rita Crosby. He gave me the impression that he would be someone that ex-con Joe Mammana could easily influence into backing the plight of the Twitty-Holloway camp.

What has been received from Holland by Aruba, thus far, is:

The Foreign Affairs of Holland has already sent two people, last Tuesday night, to the Embassy of the Kingdom in Washington so that Mr. Henry Baar goes to the State Department's 'Caribbean Desk' who was to issue a position yesterday.

The mandatory received a call from the Minister of Antillean Affairs Pechtold who said that Aruba can count with 100% support from Holland and that they find what the Alabama Governor is doing incorrect.

Minister President commented that he is satisfied because the government achieved its goal on the diplomatic front and now they are waiting as to how the American government will react.

The dignitary added that during these past days he received many calls not only from Arubans living in the U.S. but also from American friends, who condemn Mr. Riley's attitude and they can't believe that the governors of their state will do something similar.

The mandatory believes that at this moment, everything will return to normal, but the only aspect is that there isn't an American Ambassador in Holland that Mr. Bot can approach on the diplomatic front, however he announced that yesterday afternoon the Consul General of the US in the Antilles and Aruba met with him, given that what has happened isn't healthy for the relationship with the countries of the Kingdom.

According to the Prime Minister, in the region of the Caribbean, Aruba, Antilles, Barbados and Trinidad are the only islands that haven't signed Petro-Caribe. They have a good relationship and understanding with the US and Premier Oduber hopes that the American Government tells Mr. Riley that he can have a political opinion in the campaign, but who is he to ask for a boycott of the people of a nation to kill a small country (touristically), such as Aruba?

The mandatory underlines that the American Government can never stand behind a boycott. He said that the United Nations is the one who can decide about a boycott for countries, like Cuba, North Korea, Iran and Iraq. But a government and not a State Governor has the authority to do so and it is certain that the American Government will distance itself from what is happening.


And in an item not related to the boycott, but nonetheless still interesting, we have from our friends at The Bushy Haired Stranger, comes a bit of a mystery - a "mystery man."

Natalee argued in a cab on Friday with some friends about being in love with Mr. Blue eyes. (as reported by the Aruban cab driver) Natalee called Beth and told her about the love affair with Mr. Blue eyes.

Beth reportedly has told 2 witnesses about the phone call, and has since denied it.

Mr. Blue eyes dumped Natalee before she met Joran. (Joran's eyes are dark brown). Mr. Blue eyes is in the Coast Guard and does not know where Natalee is now. -Letsbefair

The following information is posted for Paul Bryan Hamaker, who emailed the information to us. Paul claims to have verifiable information that Bob Riley, Jeff Sessions, and Richard Shelby - Gov and Senators from Alabama, have all consistently received money from the Netherlands PACS.

The purpose here is not to "farm up" points of scandal, but to point out just how bizzare the entire boycott idea is, as well as the complex interactions that are involved in the ever-evolving cast of characters related to Natalee's disappearance. Aruba and the Netherlands are far more involved in the Alabama scene, and vice-versa, than anyone could have ever imagined.

Paul also says that he also believes that state rep from Holloway Twitty area also gets money from Netherlands PACs. Here is the "short" version:

Netherlands Contribution TO Alabama Governor And Senators Election by PAC

Would you be surprised to know that Governor Bob Riley, Senator Jeff
Sessions, Senator Richard Shelby, and Congressman Specer Bachus all
support the Aruba Boycott?.

Bachus by the way is the Twitty Holloway congressman. And Bob Riley was a congressman before he was a governor.

Would it be also be surprising to know that everyone of these men have received campaign contributions of thousands of dollars from Netherland PACS ?

Well Yes They have. These are the numbers 1998 to 2005.

Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) - $26,555
Riley, Bob (R-AL) - $4,500
Sessions, Jeff (R-AL) - $15,000
Shelby, Richard C (R-AL) - $15,000

And they are not the only Alabama politicians that get money from the

I wonder how these so caring and honest men can explain taking money from a country that they support boycotting.

Maybe Bill Clinton can give them a ethics refresher course.

Its also worth noting that both Sessions and Shelby got substantial contributions from McWane - a prominent corporate figure in the Holloway Twitty show.

From McWane Contributions 1998 - 2005
Jeff Sessions - $29,200
Richard Shelby - $1,000

This money could explain some of the political force and connection to media that Beth Twitty seems to have miraculously developed.

Its all at

Complete Details below.

Paul Bryan Hamaker, Birmingham Alabama

McWane Inc $8,000

Top Contributors
7 Mcwane Inc $15,200

McWane Inc $13,000

Detailed Contributor Breakdown
McWane Inc $1,000

Baltimore MD, 21201
INDUSTRY: Insurance, Insurance companies, brokers & agents.

Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) - $1,000
Shelby, Richard C (R-AL) - $2,000
Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) - $2,000

FOREIGN PARENT COMPANY: Internationale Nederlanden Groepe
INDUSTRY: Insurance, Insurance companies, brokers & agents
*Based on data released by the FEC on Wednesday, November 02,

Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) $1,000
Sessions, Jeff (R-AL) $1,000
Sessions, Jeff (R-AL) $1,500

INDUSTRY: Accountants
*Based on data released by the FEC on Wednesday, November

Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) $2,000
Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) $10,000
Cramer, Bud (D-AL) $2,000
Davis, Artur (D-AL) $4,500
Shelby, Richard C (R-AL) $10,000
Aderholt, Robert B (R-AL) $2,000
Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) $8,500
Bonner, Jo (R-AL) $5,000
Cramer, Bud (D-AL) $5,000
Riley, Bob (R-AL) $1,500
Rogers, Mike (R-AL) $5,000
Young, Tom (R-AL) $1,000
Sessions, Jeff (R-AL) $9,500
Aderholt, Robert B (R-AL) $3,000
Cramer, Bud (D-AL) $2,500
Aderholt, Robert B (R-AL) $4,000
Riley, Bob (R-AL) $3,000

Chicago IL, 60603
INDUSTRY: Commercial Banks
Commercial banks & bank holding companies
*Based on data released by the FEC on Wednesday, November 02, 2005

Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) $1,000
Bachus, Spencer (R-AL) $1,000
Shelby, Richard C (R-AL) $2,000

West Orange NJ, 07052
INDUSTRY: Pharmaceuticals/Health Products
Pharmaceutical manufacturing
*Based on data released by the FEC on Wednesday, November 02, 2005

Washington DC, 20005

Major (multinational) oil & gas producers
*Based on data released by the FEC on Wednesday, November 02, 2005.

Bonner, Jo (R-AL) $1,000
Bonner, Jo (R-AL) $1,000
Callahan, Sonny (R-AL) $1,000
Cramer, Bud (D-AL) $500
Sessions, Jeff (R-AL) $3,000
Callahan, Sonny (R-AL) $1,000
Everett, Terry (R-AL) $500
Callahan, Sonny (R-AL) $1,000
Everett, Terry (R-AL) $1,000
Shelby, Richard C (R-AL) $1,000

And a little more from "The Bushy Haired Stranger" - Jon Gibson, Fox joins boycott.

Today on the "My Word" portion of Jon Gibson's show on Fox, he entered the world of the "Beth and Joe M boycott" by mentioning the AL Governor's message to boycott Aruba. Gibson agreed with it, said the three "scums" were guilty, ALE was doing a bad job, and encouraged others to join in the boycott. Sounds a lot like AMW with John Walsh in his latest cool leather jacket, jeans, and cowboy boots. - AZVeteran

I live in New Mexico which is also a rather poor state but our license plates say the "land of enchantment" with good reason. Maybe with Governor Gump, I mean Gov. Riley, they ought to put out license plates (made by convict labor) of the "Land of Embarrassment". John M/M

Greta of Fox News interviewed Philadelphia city councilmen Ramos and Jack Kelly concerning the boycott they tried to push through the Philadelphia city council today.

Despite Greta's best efforts to get a straight answer out of these public servants, they refused to respond as to whether or not they had enough support in the city council to call for a boycott and urge their governor to do likewise. Translation: They got laughed out of the city council, despite their claims of waiting a week for other city councilmen to have an opportunity to study the matter.

As I have reported earlier, Ramos and Kelly were ideal candidates for influence by ex-con Joe Mammana. Both these characters were out of touch with the case.

Greta then brought on Arlene Ellis-Schipper as the representative of the Strategic Task Force in Aruba.

Arlene discounted the two city councilmen's comments as uninformed and based upon one-sided information. Arlene outlined the problems with a Philly boycott. The most serious was the potential layoffs that will ensue when jobs dependent upon flights to Aruba are canceled. Apparently, neither city councilman was aware of that downside.

On another note, Arlene discounted Beth Twitty's claims of no communication as untrue. She claims that there exists film footage of the chief prosecutor meeting with Beth Twitty at the police station.

Arlene then explained the attorney protocol between Helen Lejuez and the chief prosecutor. Helen Lejuez's comments were reiterated to press the point to Greta.

Greta should plan her show from our blog!

Greta then hosted her council:

Jeff Brown, Hammer and Williams. Jeff Brown took the offensive against Greta and called the boycott shameful, and went on to say that anyone would call a boycott because someone cannot get a phone call. In essence, the Governor of Alabama issued a boycott against a foreign country over a phone call. Greta tried to extract some high ground for Beth, but Jeff was not buying it.

Hammer supported the boycott in order to pressure action from the Aruban authorities.

Williams was against the boycott, but he felt the chief prosecutor should pick up the phone and make up with Beth Twitty. Although, he sees no possible resolution to the case. In his mind, whatever is going on now is too little too late.

Greta of Fox News interviewed Tito Lacle on the Paulus van der Sloot court appearance tomorrow.

Tito just went over the motion to have Paulus removed from the case in order to enable him to maintain his job within the Aruban judicial system.

Greta then probed the boycott with Tito.

Tito gave the impression that he felt it could be resolved. I did not catch his comments as to why he felt so. Although, it appeared that the American-owned businesses and hotels were working to ameliorate the situation.

Tito expressed the disappointment being expressed by the Aruban people over how this case has evolved into this drastic a situation.

To that I'd like to add that all of us are disappointed about the way the case has evolved. It's clear that the Dutch system hasn't worked efficiently and effectively in a timely manner in the case of Natalee's disappearance, and it's also clear that Beth could have done things a lot different herself, although all of us can understand her frustrations, torment, and anguish over her daughter disappearing without a trace.

It's also clear that this case opened a Pandora's box of skeletons, complex interweaving mysterious connections among the entire cast of characters. Perhaps that is one of the reasons this has captured the attention of so many people.

There are no winners here, only losers. And that goes for everything, from the screwball idea of an obviously illegal and poorly thought out boycott, all the way back to the manner in which the case was investigated. No one comes out squeaky clean here. We can only hope that some good comes out of the boycott call, and by that I mean that everyone wakes up, rolls up their sleeves, and starts working together.

Everyone needs to start remembering that a naive, inexperienced high school student disappeared without a trace from an island vacation paradise, under the care of chaperones (too few, too irresponsible, and too far away from her when she needed them), supposedly in the company of friends (who weren't there either, when she needed them), under poorly planned rules and supervision, in an atmosphere of fun and games - and that shouldn't happened. Someone is guilty of some kind of crime. The case needs to be investigated using every damned resource available from Aruba, Washington, and the Hague.

Enough of the bickering, finger-pointing, blind-eye turning, and half-hearted or ineffective investigations. There's no more time for blame games, it's past time for the FBI and the Aruban authorities to work together FOR REAL.

Let's find Natalee, people. It's time to get back to basics, have the governments REALLY work together for a change, and FIND NATALEE!!!

That's it for tonight. I apologize for the poorly edited posting tonight, we've just had a heck of a time with spammers, which has made it difficult to get everything up in a timely manner, or to get everything up at all.

Aloha for tonight, from Hawaii.

Posted for HarryTho.

Posted by Richard at November 10, 2005 5:16 PM

It is already past 9:30 est,where is the much anticipated update???

Posted by: bizman at November 10, 2005 9:46 PM

First let me say I am against Bob Riley's actions.

But seriously, Mr Tho misses an important opportunity again tonight to bring perspective to the ranting from Aruba.

I think they are confusing the word BOYCOTT and EMBARGO.

Anyone can call for a boycott. A boycott is an expression of free speech by a group of people. I can call for one. You can, so can Bob Riley, even in his official capacity. It doesn't mean he is enforcing an action that no travel can occur - he is just expressing his opinion, making a suggestion, and asking that people join him. It's called flexing your muscle, grip, clout, etc.

This type of action is legal. If a travel agency group decides to reprint his opinion, there is no law against it and it doesn't implicate Riley in something that will have him brought up @ the Hague next week.

An embargo on the other hand is a military action. And yes, it typically is only called with approval from the UN - and never by the Governor of a US State - but by the President usually with the backing of Congress.

So let's get this cleared up now - stop the HYPE - which is worthy of an hour on GRETA more so than what I've come to expect here. This all smacks of two kids fighting and tattling to the parents. I am disgusted that it would be held up as anything else, and that so much time would be dedicated to so much NON news.

Posted by: Steve W at November 10, 2005 11:11 PM

Boy o boy, YOU ALL or most of you are doing a great service to put ARUBA in a fix?! Because, by exposing ARUBAN P.M. and Politicians and their
knowlage of world affairs and judicial system systematically, and reminding ARUBA: "Beggars are
not choosers"- so, if ARUBA is poor and wants US
Dollars and other tourists' business; then show
the world that ARUBA is not corrupt, and ARUBA has fine transparent justice system and world class POLICE and Prosecutors and high officials:
Do not play games with the world audience, ARUBA,
YOU ARE WATCHED, and P.M. do not run to Holland
to solve your problem - it is your ARUBA and problem is your baby; It may not be Holland justice system (NOT transparent,why?) but the
officers who are subpar for unknown reasons; and
the well informed citizens of ARUBA who tolerated
such hateful, not so transparent justice system
and proud of it(?) for so long...for too long...
Now, YOU ARE EXPOSED ...Now, you can not say
ARUBA has no crime (because you do not keep records),You can not say ARUBA is paradise because for powerful ROYALS it is but for tourists ARUBA can be hell...Ordinary Arubans can
not complaint, they are scared of officers in a tiny ARUBA, and do not be misguided by selfish
advisers who can not fool AMERICAN tourists/ or
others from other countries: Ultimately, ARUBA will pay the price; even DUTCH ROYALS will give
lip service and fly away like Mr.Nelson Oduber
gave lip service to BETH but no action ??? WE
all noticed that - YOU ALL WANT US $ and do not
give a damn to Holloway family's plight or AMERICAN Daughter's cry for justice!
Now, only way left is fire all responsible officers who ruined a simple case and refine
not transparent justice system - then ask the world to forgive for YOUR MISTAKE, it was under
your watch, and it is YOUR BABY, and be prepared
to answer on JUDGEMENT DAY !!!
Otherwise, get ready for BOYCOTT: It will come
sooner or later... Time is running out! When USA
decides, it will be BIG BIG blow, because American daughters, sisters, mothers are insulted
here and they want Action, not lip service and
no fancy bla bla bla ...IT IS INSULT TO our minds! This is America, and not ARUBA whom you
can easily fool with good words, and no action?

Posted by: American,K. at November 10, 2005 11:55 PM

Dear Steve W.:

Thank you for pointing out the distinction between a boycott and an embargo. However, if we are expressing legal definitions, it is only fair that we explore the notions of boycott: primary and secondary and embargo.

First, you are correct that the strict definition of embargo refers to a nation proclaiming a forced restriction of a flow of goods (trade) from the enacting country upon the victim country; i.e., United States upon Aruba.

Second, your notion of a boycott is likewise accurate for a primary boycott.

Clearly, when Governor Riley issued his verbal boycott, His Excellency announced a primary boycott. However, when his staff issued His Excellency's boycott to the OSSN which in turn notified 6,000 travel agents worldwide, a secondary boycott was enacted. A secondary boycott is illegal.

In an effort to edify our readers, a secondary boycott involves coercive pressure applied to suppliers, services or customers of the entity under the primary boycott. Boycotts are restricted to a dispute between the primary parties. Usually, the term boycott is reserved for labor disputes. As you can perceive and appreciate, the employment of term boycott in a disagrrement between nations is a tad out of place.

In Governor Riley's boycott, the primary boycott is restricted to the citizens of the state of Alabama. Whether or not the extension of Governor Riley's boycott can be applied separately in Philadelphia is a questionable and debatable matter. Clearly, Philadelphia is not a party to the alleged grievances empowering the Alabama boycott. It could be argued successfully that Philadelphia has been coerced into boycotting Aruba.

Now, when one considers that some 70% of the income of Aruba comes from tourism, it could be argued that what Governor Riley is advocating amounts to an embargo of the island of Aruba. Most embargoes do not effect more than 50% of a nation's economy.

Lastly, when one considers that the information provided Governor Riley, resulting in this call for an embargo, was inaccurate, if not outright deceitful, the very basis of the boycott comes into question, even if it a primary boycott. The issue of coercion dissolves easily into the deceitfulness with which boycott was concocted.

In my opinion, however you interpret Governor Riley's communication to other state governors and the OSSN, at the very least, one would have to conclude that His Excellency has proclaimed a secondary boycott that amounts to an embargo of the island of Aruba.

On another note, since boycott is a term employed in labor disputes, it follows that what Governor Riley intends is an embargo of Aruba.

With Aloha,


Posted by: harry Author Profile Page at November 11, 2005 12:05 AM

FANTASTIC job, Harry. Thanks

Posted by: Max at November 11, 2005 12:09 AM


Posted by: antoinette at November 11, 2005 12:35 AM

A Boycott can be devastating, but what do we do now to resolve it ? Bob Riley announced it, and has others in suit with them. IT IS NOT a government sanctioned Boycott, but personally endorsed by Gov. Riley of Alabama.

Even IF Riley, & Co. were to turn around now and advise against it, what benefit would there be ?Right now there is TOO much damage to Aruba's reputation, and that can be difficult to repair.Natalee's disappearance will forever haunt that island.

Posted by: Lake Erie Princess at November 11, 2005 2:01 AM

This entire situation is a sham. No one is willing to ask any difficult questions because no one wants to violate the "grieving mother rule".
What I do not understand is this: How come this kid went on this trip and didn't talk to the mom at all?
I know my wife, and most mothers, they would not tolerate this from the kid. Something is not right.
Why didn't the kid call the mom or the mom call the kid? Good job. You seem to be really investigating this whole situation which is more than can be said of the cable guys and the regular channel media dropped it all in the first week.
This Greta broad, in my book, made the wife turn her off, she has lost all her perspective, what happened to at least pretending to be a journalist. The woman needs a vacation.

Posted by: Mortimor at November 11, 2005 3:17 AM

Cher monsieur Harry,
So it means that ANY USA citizen that travels abroad and is killed in other country, they are going to call for a SECUNDARY BOYCOTT?
Well, then why not boycotting the Chaperons they were the ones that did not BABY -SIT this group. The parents put the security of their kids in their hands. NO TO the Island.
My other point is that Twitty/Holloway, do not have any right to know the strategy of their way of working. Why to involve them with the investigation? They are as suspects as everybody else at this point.
Is it possible that Beth is having a multiple personality disorder?? She does not remember a lot of the events. If I will be the one of the Md. in the case, I will ask for a psychiatric evaluation.
Merci pour nous mettre a jour. Votre travail est fantastique.

Posted by: antoinette at November 11, 2005 11:22 AM

There are 2 things that have been repeated on the internet that I would like to know if there is evidence that they are more than rumors.
1. That Marcia Twitty confiscated all the cameras, photos, and cell phones from the kids (& chaperones?) as soon as they arrived home.
2. That an attorney was hired for one or both of the Twitty boys upon their arrival back home.

Is there any verification of the truth (or lack thereof) concerning either of these?

Posted by: np at November 11, 2005 11:38 AM

This entire situation is a sham. No one is willing to ask any difficult questions because no one wants to violate the "grieving mother rule".
What I do not understand is this: How come this kid went on this trip and didn't talk to the mom at all?
I know my wife, and most mothers, they would not tolerate this from the kid. Something is not right.
Why didn't the kid call the mom or the mom call the kid? Good job. You seem to be really investigating this whole situation which is more than can be said of the cable guys and the regular channel media dropped it all in the first week.
This Greta broad, in my book, made the wife turn her off, she has lost all her perspective, what happened to at least pretending to be a journalist. The woman needs a vacation.

I heard Beth telling one of the THs that she didn't expect Natalee to call home during her trip.

Posted by: Max at November 11, 2005 12:35 PM

Hi Harry
good job done as usual,but far to much information for me to take in,i think i will take a break for a couple of days and hope much of all this mess will go away real soon
thanks harry

Posted by: candy at November 11, 2005 1:55 PM

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