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March 20, 2005

If Terri Schiavo Dies...

Topics: Terri Schiavo's Life Counts

Before Terri Schiavo dies of starvation and thirst, there are two questions that must be answered.

1. Even if we were to concede, for the sake of argument, that this woman is irreversibly and totally vegetative, what possible objection can there be to her parents assuming custody of her and, at their own expense, taking care of her?

2. Are the members of the United States Congress so faint-hearted, feeble, and foolish that the best they can do is to get another judge involved in this case?

There must be thousands of Americans today in medically hopeless condition. Are they all to be killed? If not, are we to spare some and kill the others?

No one has made a compelling argument as to why Mrs. Schiavo must be killed. Instead, all we have is an unproven, unproveable assertion by her husband that she told him, years ago, that she would want it so. No one else heard her say this. Because the assertion cannot be proved, it has no business being in the argument.

Why should her parents not take care of her? There is simply no reasonable answer to that question.

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Cross posted at BlogsForTerri

Hat tip - Alicia


Posted by Hyscience at March 20, 2005 12:10 AM

Wouldn't it be nice to see our Congress use it's power to remove several Supreme Court judges for flagrant violations against the Constitution they swore to uphold? I'm hoping for the best nevertheless. What exactly do you propose Congress should have done? I would love to have seen decisive action too, by Pres. Bush, Jeb Bush and now Congress is stepping in where they left off, I'm grateful for their efforts.

Posted by: Jack Dortignac at March 20, 2005 12:56 AM

Excellent points that should have been considered long before we arrived here...Maxed Out Mom has always held some interesting assertions about how this issue on a larger level has to do with the increasing number of elderly and the increasing costs of caring for them...What does it say about all of us ifthe law,.courts, and "the pursuit of "choice" comes before those who can not speak for themselves...

Posted by: Crystal Clear at March 20, 2005 1:03 AM

There is another article on this page that addresses the issue of the Pinellas County Guardians. I suggest that people read the article and then have a look at the website.

This is relevant to the question being asked by Crystal about the treatment of the elderly and the implications behind the decisions of George Greer.

His decisions in this case are so corrupt that they are laughable, except for the fact that this is a serious issue.

The original article here has an error of fact within it, because the writer is under the impression that George Greer is a non-elected judge. That is not the case. He was elected to the position that he holds.

Here in Australia the judiciary are appointed by the Parliament. They are not elected to their position. This does not guarantee that the judiciary will be entirely free from corruption, but it is a guarantee to some degree the independence of the Judiciary. We have a similar problem with the Judiciary when it comes to these liberal judges who want to create precedent in their decision making. Also, the fact that they are appointed means that the ruling party picks men and women who follow the party line. If the government of the day is pro life then you will get the appointment of new pro life judges and vice versa.

There has to be a better way to guarantee that the kind of lawlessness that we see in Florida is curtailed, and that judges do not continue to overstep what is defined by law.

The Schindler vs. Schiavo case could be a watershed for several reasons. It has higlighted the flaws of the USA judiciary system in that elected judges such as Greer see themselves as being the final law of the land.

It is noteworthy that the party line in this case happens to be that it is unconstitutional for anyone to intervene in the decisions made by George Greer. Yet, George Greer has snubbed the requirements of the law in several areas.

I wonder if Judge Judy would have made the same decisions as Greer, or whether she would have told Michael Schiavo to get real, and hand over the guardianship to the Schindlers. I wonder if she would yell at him about the flagrant act of living in adultery whilst claiming that he loves his wife. Hmmm........ I wish she had been hearing this case instead of George Greer.

Posted by: Maggie4life at March 20, 2005 1:33 AM

I am a doctor, and although I don't claim to know Terri the single question I have has yet to be answered. All the arguments seem to center around what Terri may or may not have wanted. But hypothetically speaking, what if Terri did in fact have written and verified advanced directives regarding her end-of-life care. Given the current political movement by congress, we as a society are now allowing the legislature to interfere with our rights as humans to choose how we die when we have terminal illness, or are stricken with illnesses from which we would rather not suffer. Should we euthanize Alzheimers patients? Of course not. But when the senility and demensia is so great that we can no longer function in a meaningful way, are we not allowed to choose death for ourselves over heroic measures that merely prolong the dying process? We are angry when the government mandates through managed care which doctors we see, or what medications we are allowed to have, but now we are INVITING the government to supercede the decisions made between physician and patient. This seems to me to be a catastrophic invasion of privacy and a horrible precident!

Posted by: John at March 20, 2005 4:28 AM

I'm Canadian, and like many of us here looking at the Schiavo's case, we simply don't understand how can the greatest nation in the world be so caught in the dilemma's of its own legal/political system (not that Canada is doing any better). What is so complicated about leaving the matters of life and death to God?! To start with our manmade "technological development" (if so we must call it) have allowed us to "preserve" the life of humans, then we discovered how to "terminate" it; in the mean time we uphold high above any other ideal the so called "freedom of choice", "human rights" and "personal privacy". This case proves from every angle the FALLACY and illusions of such ideals, put to shame our "developed" countries and lift up high the flag of death on a humane culture of LOVE, JUSTICE AND PEACE. Indeed "Why should her parents not take care of her? There is simply no reasonable answer to that question." There is no reasonable answer to: why should the life (or death) of an incapacitated person be decided by a "judge"? In fact, the greatest destructive, inhuman and indeed barbaric action is to snatch a child (no matter the age) off the hands of her/his parents to simply KILL him/her. Shame on our so called "First World"!

Posted by: Samia at March 20, 2005 6:23 AM

Lee Duigon wrote:
> ... all we have is an unproven, unproveable assertion
> by her husband that she told him, years ago, that she
> would want it so. No one else heard her say this.
> Because the assertion cannot be proved, it has no business
> being in the argument.

Mr. Duigon, it has no business being in the argument because
Florida Statute 90.602 makes hearsay testimony of her guardian
not admissible.

Posted by: gospelmidi at March 22, 2005 1:04 AM

Lee Duigon wrote:
> ... all we have is an unproven, unproveable assertion
> by her husband that she told him, years ago, that she
> would want it so. No one else heard her say this.
> Because the assertion cannot be proved, it has no business
> being in the argument.

Mr. Duigon, it has no business being in the argument because
Florida Statute 90.602 makes hearsay testimony of her guardian
not admissible.

Posted by: gospelmidi at March 22, 2005 1:06 AM



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