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December 13, 2004

On Moore's Article About A Proposed "Religious Hatred" Bill(in the UK) And His Right To Call Mohammed A Pedophile - Why We Should Pay Attention To The Muslim Reaction

Topics: War on Terror - the issues.

The Independent (UK) - on-line Dec 12 edition reported on Muslim's anger at what they consider to be an inappropriate statement by  Charles Moore, former editor of The Daily Telegraph, that the Muslim's prophet, Mohammed, was a pedophile.

Although that is not what Mr. Moore said, a "storm of criticism from British Muslims yesterday" arose against an article in which he championed the 'right' to call the Prophet Mohamed a pedophile. Was he, and are the Muslims missing the point of Mr. Moore's article? The answers are it depends and yes they are missing the point.

Let's first look at what Mr. Moore actually said (in the context of, and quoted from, Sunday's article in the Times):

(...)  Mr Moore, who opposes new legislation banning incitement to religious hatred, chose the sensitive issue of the Prophet's marriage to a nine-year-old to illustrate his case. "It seems to me that people are perfectly entitled - rude and mistaken as they may be - to say that Mohamed was a paedophile, but if David Blunkett gets his way, they may not be able to," he wrote in his weekly column. (this is what he said)

(...)  Muslim groups have been at the forefront of the campaign for laws against religious hatred proposed by the Home Secretary in the summer. They have long complained that, while British Jews are protected by the 1976 Race Relations Act, there has been no similar ban on anti-Islamic prejudice. (this snipet for background)

So far, sounds like an exercise of free speech to me. People are perfectly entitled to say that Mohammed was a pedophile or a moon-walker, whatever they wish. But just how did the Muslims respond to Moores article (again, from the Dec 12 Times)?

Responding with a mixture of astonishment and fury(emphasis mine) Muslims yesterday described the remarks as inflammatory and deliberately provocative. Iqbal Sacranie, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, the main voice of British Islam, said he was astonished that "a journalist and former editor with such wide experience could stoop so low".

The article says that the Muslims are astonished and very angry, indeed furious, at Moores remarks relating Mohammed to pedophilia. At least they haven't killed anyone so far! Muslim's aren't usually  accustomed to, nor are they tolerant of - being criticized, let alone having their prophet called a pedophile. But we don't need to be concerned about Muslim reaction. About the reaction of Islamists, we do. Our problem is to know the difference. Why is this an issue to us? Let's divert for a moment to Danial Pipes' article in City Journal in Autumn 2003:

(...)    The problem at hand is not the religion of Islam but the totalitarian ideology of Islamism. As a faith, Islam has meant very different things over 14 centuries and several continents. What we can call "traditional Islam," forged in the medieval period, has inspired Muslims to be bellicose and quiescent, noble and not: one can't generalize over such a large canvas. But one can note two common points: Islam is, more than any other major religion, deeply political, in the sense that it pushes its adherents to hold power; and once Muslims do gain power, they feel a strong impetus to apply the laws of Islam, the shari`a. So Islam does, in fact, contain elements that can justify conquest, theocracy, and intolerance.

(...)   In the course of the twentieth century, a new form of Islam arose, one that now has great appeal and power. Militant Islam (or Islamism--same thing) goes back to Egypt in the 1920s, when an organization called the Muslim Brethren first emerged, though there are other strains as well, including an Iranian one, largely formulated by Ayatollah Khomeini, and a Saudi one, to which the ruling Taliban in Afghanistan and Usama bin Ladin both belong. Islamism differs in many ways from traditional Islam. It is faith turned into ideology, and radical ideology at that. When asked, "Do you consider yourself a revolutionary?" Sudanese Islamist politician Hasan al-Turabi replied, "Completely." Whereas traditional Islam places the responsibility on each believer to live according to God's will, Islamism makes this duty something for which the state is responsible. Islam is a personal belief system that focuses on the individual; Islamism is a state ideology that looks to the society (emphasis mine). Islamists constitute a small but significant minority of Muslims in the U.S. and worldwide, perhaps 10 to 15 percent.

Hang in there with me just a little longer, we're getting there. We are gaining a little background here and we are about to arrive at a very important point. Moore's article was intended to address Muslim intolerance and their expectations of special treatment for them, their faith, and Islam. Although his article directly addressed the matter of a proposed bill that he believed would result in the restriction of free speech, we should look much deeper into the fact that a bill is being proposed in the first place. It has to do with concern over the Islamic agenda to edge ever-closer to the political side of their faith, one that would result in denying non-Muslims their right's of free speech, for a start, then continue to move ever closer toward the installation of shari`a - law, their goal, the goal of Islamists, not Muslims - and there is a difference! Continuing with Pipes' article we have the following:

(...)   Islamists of all stripes have a virulent attitude toward non-Muslims and have a decades-long history of fighting with British and French colonial rulers, as well as with such non-Muslim governments as those of India, Israel, and the Philippines. They also have had long and bloody battles against Muslim governments that reject the Islamist program

(...)   Islamist violence is a global phenomenon. During the first week of April, for example, I counted up the following incidents, relying only on news agency stories, which are hardly exhaustive: deaths due to violent Islamist action occurred in Algeria (42 victims), Kashmir (17), the southern Philippines (3), Bangladesh (2), and the West Bank (1); assorted violence broke out in many other countries, including Afghanistan, Indonesia, Nigeria, and Sudan; courts handed down judgments against radical Muslims in France, Germany, Italy, Jordan, Turkey, the United States, and Yemen.

(...)    The great debate among Islamists is, in fact, not over the desirability or plausibility of transforming the U.S. into a Muslim nation but whether to work toward this goal in a legal but slow way, through conversion, or by taking a riskier but swifter illegal path that would require violence. Shamim A. Siddiqi, a Pakistani immigrant, expects that vast numbers of Americans will peacefully convert to Islam in what he calls a "Rush-to-Islam." Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, wants Muslims to "conquer the land of the infidels." These two approaches can and do overlap.

(...)    Integrationists tend to be thankful to live in the United States, with its rule of law, democracy, and personal freedoms. Islamists despise these achievements and long to bring the ways of Iran or Afghanistan to America. Integrationists seek to create an American Islam and can take part in American life. Islamists, who want an Islamic America, cannot.

That's it, we're there for now. We have sufficient background to know why we need to be concerned about the execise of free speech in the UK and also everywhere else, particularly in the West if we are to continue our way of life, our exercise of religious freedoms, and our diverse culture. Islamists are dangerous, a threat to our society. They will use any tool necessary to accomplish their goal - Shari'a, forced conversion to Islam, and dimmitude for "infidels." Muslims need to be just as concerned as non-Muslims. The very big problem is that it is extremely difficult to be able to know the difference between Muslims and Islamists, simply because Islamists will say or do anything to further their version of Islam. Deceit, role-playing, by whatever means necessary, the Islamists intend to convert America to Islam. They indeed are the biggest theat to civilization since the invention of the atomic bomb. Let's look at Danial Pipes' article one more time:

Zaid Shakir, a former Muslim chaplain at Yale University, argues that Muslims cannot accept the legitimacy of the existing American order, since it "is against the orders and ordainments of Allah." "[T]he orientation of the Quran," he adds, "pushes us in the exact opposite direction." However outlandish a political goal this might seem, it is widely discussed in Islamist circles, and the events of September 11 should make clear just how seriously U.S. authorities must take this ambition.

Fundamental Muslims, Islamists, not Muslims - and there is a difference, are here in America, Europe, and throughout the Western world, they intend to destroy our way of life, and they intend to say or do anything they think is necessary, even lie or committ violence, to make that happen. Does it matter whether or not Mohammed was a pedophile, or that Muslims believe Mohammed to be a diety? The answer to that question is a simple no. Let Muslims exercise the same rights of free speech and faith as the rest of us, let them believe what they wish to believe. Let them live in peace, free to exercise their beliefs as they wish. If the reaction in Britain to Moore's article is from Muslims, and I doubt it, then it might not be a problem for us. If the reaction in Britain to Moore's article is that of Islamists, then we do have a problem, and so does Britain and the rest of the West. It is yet one more signal that Islam is on the March, and they are coming to your neighborhood and mine - if we let them.

The Islamists must be stopped now at all cost. Period. Islamists must not be allowed further footholds in our society. Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, and those of all other faiths must work together in order that our freedoms continue for future generations. It's all up to us.

One last thing, if you are just plain curious about the pedophilia issue, go read Robert Spencer's Dimmi Watch, he has an article entitled,"Moore's paedophile 'slur' angers Muslims." In it he addresses the pedophile matter. It's interesting, if you really care whether or not Mohammed was a pedophile or not, but you probably need to consider the period of history in which he lived. As to whether or not he was a diety, I'll leave that up to the Mulims. I am a Christian, so I have my own opinion. I'm sure you have yours.




Posted by Hyscience at December 13, 2004 9:47 AM


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---People are perfectly entitled to say that Mohammed was a pedophile or a moon-walker, whatever they wish.----

Ok then I guess people are also entitled to say the child marriages in Indian subcontinent (which was not banned until the twentieth century) produced more pedophiles as ever. Why not call poet Rabinranath Tagore a pedophile because he married a pre-teen girl.

Its pathetic to judge yesterday's people in todays context. Child marriage might be a custom in Arab countries in the 6th century and yet people are bothered about it. On the other context sane people are vocal about Islamic fundamentalist's word-to-word interpretation of Quranic verses ignoric todays context and changes in civilization.

If we do not rationalize our thinking and respect the other traditions and culture we will not be able to make some sense to the blocked headed fundamentalists, which act on these stupid remarks creating anarchy in the world.

Posted by: Rezwan at December 14, 2004 1:34 AM

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